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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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Conservative said:
Bye, sheik, I am done with this bull**** from you. Man up for a change, half is not most for the other half wasn't total GOP Control.
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Too weak to admit your were wrong? Again?
 
Conservative said:
I figured you were smart enough to figure out my post telling you what the Republicans wouldn't do and that is what Obama shouldn't have done. The stimulus program was a waste and Obamacare is a job killer. We will see what a pro growth President will do in 2012 and I already gave you hints.
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So your argument is that jobs would have been created by doing nothing? No wonder you didn't want to answer the question.
 
pbrauer said:
I got bls Government data and developed a yearly average with MS Excel


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Average
2001 20835 20906 20945 20992 21029 21137 21185 21218 21242 21275 21326 21355 21120
2002 21377 21390 21431 21443 21514 21549 21544 21589 21546 21559 21581 21588 21509
2003 21626 21624 21610 21595 21567 21606 21633 21556 21504 21558 21535 21546 21580
2004 21538 21550 21588 21614 21614 21601 21606 21626 21635 21656 21692 21693 21618
2005 21735 21744 21740 21754 21781 21763 21857 21863 21845 21829 21859 21879 21804
2006 21847 21878 21903 21919 21926 21922 21973 22011 22082 22068 22083 22088 21975
2007 22101 22131 22149 22171 22201 22218 22152 22221 22285 22302 22331 22377 22220
2008 22386 22431 22446 22447 22454 22493 22527 22577 22577 22559 22544 22561 22500

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Government Employment - CES9000000001
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Is there a purpose for this discussion? What are you trying to prove? Do you realize that military personnel is included as govt. employees and that TX has a huge military presence with Air Force and Army bases? Not sure the purpose of this on a thread about Obama popularity
 
AdamT said:
So your argument is that jobs would have been created by doing nothing? No wonder you didn't want to answer the question.
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No, we needed a stimulus but not the Obama stimulus which did nothing to stimulate the private sector. Obama doesn't have a clue how to motivate a private sector economy to hire and grow. Everything he has done has hurt the private sector thus no business is going to invest their own money to hire employees in this environment
 
Conservative said:
Bye, sheik, I am done with this bull**** from you. Man up for a change, half is not most for the other half wasn't total GOP Control.
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Uh-oh ... here it comes ...

Why would you go to some dorky website to find Senate party divisions rather than going directly to the Senate's website which, unlike the link you posted, contains the actual party divisions?

Oh, wait, that's because you search out data which best makes your case rather than use actual data which might refute it. Sorry, I forgot who I was posting to for a moment.

Here are the actual Senate party divisions ...


Majority Party (Jan 20-June 6, 2001): Republican (50 seats)
Minority Party: Democrat (50 seats)
Other Parties: 0
Total Seats: 100

U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Origins & Development > Party Division​


Hey, would ya look at that? Seems Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress for a total of neary 4 years and 5 months ... i.e., more than half of Bush's 8 years ... or ... for "most" of Bush's two terms. Rendering my comment to be 100% truthful as well as accurate:


"Bush had a Republican Congress for most of his two terms" ~ Sheik Yerbuti​


And I point out how you [falsely] accused me of lying, followed up with you posting some BS website which didn't indicate that Republicans controlled the Senate at all in 2001, along with your refusal to man up and issue an apology for casting false allegations. That's what Conservatism is all about. Lie about others and then run like hell when caught. Tsk, tsk.

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AdamT said:
Too weak to admit your were wrong? Again?
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So let me see if I have this right, Bush was in office for 8 years, four of those years he had a GOP Congress and four of those years he had a divided govt. and that constitutes GOP Control of Congress most of his term? Another example of liberal logic and math skills?
 
Conservative said:
No, we needed a stimulus but not the Obama stimulus which did nothing to stimulate the private sector. Obama doesn't have a clue how to motivate a private sector economy to hire and grow. Everything he has done has hurt the private sector thus no business is going to invest their own money to hire employees in this environment
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Sorry Con....but your ideal of Corporate Welfare has never worked and yet you guys still always want to try that "Trickle Down" BS. Why do you do the same thing and continue to expect different results?
 
disneydude said:
Sorry Con....but your ideal of Corporate Welfare has never worked and yet you guys still always want to try that "Trickle Down" BS. Why do you do the same thing and continue to expect different results?
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You might want to pay attention to what your Democrat Governor is doing in California. What is the unemployment rate in California right now? Still have that multi billion dollar debt and entitlement mentality?
 
Conservative said:
So let me see if I have this right, Bush was in office for 8 years, four of those years he had a GOP Congress and four of those years he had a divided govt. and that constitutes GOP Control of Congress most of his term? Another example of liberal logic and math skills?
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Oh no you din't. :naughty

53 months out of 96 is not more than half, is it?

You really want to poke fun of Liberal logic and math skills, Con?

Really??? :doh
 
Conservative said:
Do you realize that military personnel is included as govt. employees and that TX has a huge military presence with Air Force and Army bases?
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even if this is true you think the credit for these "jobs" should go to Perry?

BTW

[h=4]How do reservists impact CES?[/h] The BLS is unable to quantify the impact of reservists being called to active duty on CES employment figures. In concept, persons on active military duty for the entire survey reference period are not included on employer payrolls. Some reservists hold jobs not covered by the payroll survey--such as the self employed or those in agriculture--and others may not hold jobs at all. Any reservist who worked at all for their regular employer during the survey reference period would have been counted on the employer's payroll. If reservists are replaced by new employees on an employer's payroll, there would be no net change in the number of jobs counted. If reservists are not replaced, a net decline in the employer's job count would result.

National Current Employment Statistics Frequently Asked Questions
 
In an economy that has been down for too long, someone must be accountable. Don't you agree?
 
retirein10years said:
In an economy that has been down for too long, someone must be accountable. Don't you agree?
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In a economy that has been down for this long there isn't ONE person to blame. The simple fact is this economy has been hurting for almost a decade.
 
Conservative said:
No, we needed a stimulus but not the Obama stimulus which did nothing to stimulate the private sector. Obama doesn't have a clue how to motivate a private sector economy to hire and grow. Everything he has done has hurt the private sector thus no business is going to invest their own money to hire employees in this environment
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Okay, I'm all ears. What would your stimulus program look like?
 
Conservative said:
You might want to pay attention to what your Democrat Governor is doing in California. What is the unemployment rate in California right now? Still have that multi billion dollar debt and entitlement mentality?
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LOL Con....just like you always try to pass the Buck with GWB's failures....you do realize that up until a few months ago, California has had Republican Governors for decades.....BTW.....how is that Texas economy doing these days? Land of the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs in the Country.
Sorry....but I don't want to turn us into the next third world or Chinese society....perhaps you and your Texas cohorts do?
 
pbrauer said:
But he did turn the economy around, when he took office the economy was headed for the toilet.
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The economy might have been headed for the toilet but Obama pulled the handle and flushed it just when it was beginning to rebound. Now he thinks he needs to flush again with more wasteful stimulus spending.
 
disneydude said:
LOL Con....just like you always try to pass the Buck with GWB's failures....you do realize that up until a few months ago, California has had Republican Governors for decades.....BTW.....how is that Texas economy doing these days? Land of the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs in the Country.
Sorry....but I don't want to turn us into the next third world or Chinese society....perhaps you and your Texas cohorts do?
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GWB wasn't very conservative and your knowledge of CA Governors fails you. Oh, Texas is doing much better than CA when it comes to jobs.

China comes to mind when you say “land of the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs”. Do you think we should ignore the fact that part of the reason we can’t compete with China is that Americans are fat and lazy with union reps?

Maybe you can’t see the train coming but this isn’t about rich people or white people or which state pays more per job than other states, this is about the survival of the USA and as such, we better realize that we can’t have our cake and eat it too just because we were born American.

Times change and Americans have always changed to adapt to the times.
 
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disneydude said:
LOL Con....just like you always try to pass the Buck with GWB's failures....you do realize that up until a few months ago, California has had Republican Governors for decades.....BTW.....how is that Texas economy doing these days? Land of the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs in the Country.
Sorry....but I don't want to turn us into the next third world or Chinese society....perhaps you and your Texas cohorts do?
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California has a Democrat Legislature and a RINO Republican. I laugh at people from California lecturing the rest of us on sound economic policy and job creation. You have little credibility but thanks for the laugh.
 
AdamT said:
Sure, they're all just lazy, right?

Are you ever going to answer my questions? What do you think Obama should have done differently to create jobs? What is the Republican plan to create jobs?
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Here are a couple of instances where crony capitalism and overzealous bureaucrats do real harm. There are thousands more of these cases, big and small. and they're doing irreparable harm to the American economy.

Review & Outlook: Atlanta Street Sweep - WSJ.com
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts, less regulations, reduction in the size of the govt would stimulate the private sector
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Riiiight, more of the same voodoo economics which gave us a 14 trillion dollar debt to begin with. :roll:
 
TheNextEra said:
In a economy that has been down for this long there isn't ONE person to blame. The simple fact is this economy has been hurting for almost a decade.
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You are right but the blame is always going to go to the preisdent.
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts, less regulations, reduction in the size of the govt would stimulate the private sector
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Obama already employed one of the largest tax cuts in US history; it was in the stimulus bill, as we've gone over before. Tax cuts also make the deficit situation worse, which is something you constantly go on about. You want to complain about the size of the deficit on the one hand, and then advocate cutting revenue OTOH, which will worsen deficits. Very sensible. Reducing the size of government, of course, increases unemployment. Only in wingnut world is it possible to reduce revenue to cut deficits and fire workers to lower unemployment. Insanity.
 
AdamT said:
Obama already employed one of the largest tax cuts in US history; it was in the stimulus bill, as we've gone over before. Tax cuts also make the deficit situation worse, which is something you constantly go on about. You want to complain about the size of the deficit on the one hand, and then advocate cutting revenue OTOH, which will worsen deficits. Very sensible. Reducing the size of government, of course, increases unemployment. Only in wingnut world is it possible to reduce revenue to cut deficits and fire workers to lower unemployment. Insanity.
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So we have been told and of course you bought. Compare the two tax cuts and tell me which one benefited YOU and the rest of the taxpayers the most? Are you still benefiting from the Obama tax cuts?

You are going to continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and have to learn for yourself. Good luck, you are going to need it.


Obame Tax cuts

Total: $288 billion
Tax cuts for individuals

Total: $237 billion
• $116 billion: New tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phase out begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers.[29]
• $70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[29]
• $15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
• $14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
• $6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[41]
• $4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
• $4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
• $4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
• $1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.

Bush Tax cuts

Between 2001 and 2003, the Bush administration instituted a federal tax cut for all taxpayers. Among other changes, the lowest income tax rate was lowered from 15% to 10%, the 27% rate went to 25%, the 30% rate went to 28%, the 35% rate went to 33%, and the top marginal tax rate went from 39.6% to 35%.[3] In addition, the child tax credit went from $500 to $1000, and the "marriage penalty" was reduced. Since the cuts were implemented as part of the annual congressional budget resolution, which protected the bill from filibusters, numerous amendments, and more than 20 hours of debate, it had to include a sunset clause. Unless congress passes legislation making the tax cuts permanent, they will expire in 2011.
 
Compare the two tax cuts and tell me which one benefited YOU and the rest of the taxpayers the most?
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Why are you always going back to Bush? Bush isn't the president now.

But as you bring it up, the Bush tax cuts, of course, are a huge part of the problem and are the largest contributing cause to the deficits you endlessly whine abuot. Doubling down on tax cuts will only make the deficit situation worse, and would almost certainly lead to further credit rating cuts. That, in turn, would increase our borrowing costs and make deficits even worse.

If you want to criticize Obama's policies try to come up with some alternative that at least passes the laugh test.
 
GPS_Flex said:
GWB wasn't very conservative and your knowledge of CA Governors fails you. Oh, Texas is doing much better than CA when it comes to jobs.

China comes to mind when you say “land of the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs”. Do you think we should ignore the fact that part of the reason we can’t compete with China is that Americans are fat and lazy with union reps?

Maybe you can’t see the train coming but this isn’t about rich people or white people or which state pays more per job than other states, this is about the survival of the USA and as such, we better realize that we can’t have our cake and eat it too just because we were born American.

Times change and Americans have always changed to adapt to the times.
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Sorry....but California has had Republican Governors for decades...with the exception of about 2 years of Davis, who was more of a Republican than most republicans are...so Sorry...but it is you who's knowledge fails you.

As far as Texas and jobs....again....FAIL. Texas has the largest percentage of minimum wage jobs in the country. Texas is the model that the GOP wants? Basically, they are turning it into a Chinese Society, where the wealthy get more wealthy and the working class of America work for peanuts. Sorry...but that isn't the model that most of America wants.
 
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