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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    And millions more aren't. The fact is, in America, the greatest country on this planet, the only people who receieve adequate medical care beyond emergency room are those who either have insurance (which many of those unemployed you feign concern over don't), are eligible for government assistance (which you are against), or can afford it (which only a relative few can afford a major operation), or beg for the money for medical treatment to be donated. That leaves a gap of millions who may need healthcare but beyond any emergency care they may be eligilble for, will not receive it. Try geting chemotherapy from an emergency room.
    One has to be pretty god damn bad off to get full disability straight off the bat and no appeals.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    MA has universal healthcare and there aren't enough doctors to handle the demand thus ER usage is way up as are costs. That however is what the people there wanted and that is why healthcare is a state issue not a federal issue.
    I disagree. I see it as a federal issue falling under the general welfare clause.


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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    So you think when the field is narrowed down to two that the poll numbers will remain the same?
    For the most part. You seem to think that people who would vote for Perry over Obama actually pick Obama because they are also asked about other candidates.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    It all depends on who the opponent is for Obama. In the end, the GOP simply cannot run a generic faceless and nameless blob on the ballot in a referendum which boils down to "do you like Obama?" As much as you would like that to happen, that is simply not the way presidential elections work.

    The GOP will have a real flesh and blood candidate whose own record, whose own beliefs, whose own statements, whose own ideas will become just as big of an issue as anything else in the campaign. And it is that reality which you seem to be shrinking from.
    Keep believing the liberal rhetoric and ignoring the liberal results. We have had 2 1/2 years of Obamanomics and the people aren't buying it. Either Romney or Perry can beat Obama and will. You didn't vet Obama and bought what he was saying. Now he has a record to run on and it isn't pretty. The American people were fooled once but won't be fooled a second time.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    For the most part. You seem to think that people who would vote for Perry over Obama actually pick Obama because they are also asked about other candidates.
    Republican candidates for others will drop out and the support redistributed. Perry will get the Bachmann vote as well as the Cain vote. When the Republlicans nominate a candidate it will be that candidate against the Obama record and that is what will turn the table on Obama. Only the true ideologues like you will continue to buy the Obama rhetoric

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    It all depends on who the opponent is for Obama. In the end, the GOP simply cannot run a generic faceless and nameless blob on the ballot in a referendum which boils down to "do you like Obama?" As much as you would like that to happen, that is simply not the way presidential elections work.

    The GOP will have a real flesh and blood candidate whose own record, whose own beliefs, whose own statements, whose own ideas will become just as big of an issue as anything else in the campaign. And it is that reality which you seem to be shrinking from.
    They put up a moderate Republican in 2008 and got their shirt handed to them. This time, it looks like they're going to go far right with Perry. While that will appeal to the right , they will lose the middle which they boast Obama has lost.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    Keep believing the liberal rhetoric and ignoring the liberal results. We have had 2 1/2 years of Obamanomics and the people aren't buying it. Either Romney or Perry can beat Obama and will. You didn't vet Obama and bought what he was saying. Now he has a record to run on and it isn't pretty. The American people were fooled once but won't be fooled a second time.
    Romney has a chance... IF ...... - Perry will be quickly exposed for the extremist that he is and will go nowhere. The major problem with Romney is that he has to go through Right Wing Whacko World to get nominated and that is stacked against him.
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    They put up a moderate Republican in 2008 and got their shirt handed to them. This time, it looks like they're going to go far right with Perry. While that will appeal to the right , they will lose the middle which they boast Obama has lost.
    Obama has already lost the independent and has no policy to get them back. Doesn't matter who the Republicans nominate as the Obama record is there for all to see, it is a disaster

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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    Republican candidates for others will drop out and the support redistributed. Perry will get the Bachmann vote as well as the Cain vote.
    What you don't understand is that the head-to-head polls are not mutually inclusive. People polled are not limited to one choice, which as you claim, they will switch to whomever gets the nod from the GOP. In these polls, they can pick every GOPer if they so choose. So no, I don't see narrowing the field to one candidate having much impact on those polls. It might to some degree pick someone they hadn't considered previously, thanks to the herd mentality, but I don't see that being enough to overcome the current numbers. It's my opinion the biggest factor which will move those numbers is that some of the candidates are not all that well known, which will change when there's one candidate. But even that can work against them as much as it can help them. Remains to be seen.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    They put up a moderate Republican in 2008 and got their shirt handed to them. This time, it looks like they're going to go far right with Perry. While that will appeal to the right , they will lose the middle which they boast Obama has lost.
    Well they will go far right with somebody..... that looks like what is in the cards for them. It is pretty obvious that the establishment GOP has made a deal with the devil and the devil is demanding a very high price. The GOP will nominate a far rightie and the nation will reject them as too extreme. Right now, there is a 50/50 chance that it could be Goldwater 64 all over again for the Republicans if they fail to tame the tea party tiger they have been riding. And I see no way they can do that.

    Its a pretty blunt commentary on just how extremist the Republican Party has gotten in the last few years when somebody such as Bachmann or a governor who openly talks about secession can be considered as a possible frontrunner.
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