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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Not true at all. The federal government often steps up when problems are too big for states to handle. Like when FEMA provided aid to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina because the state couldn't handle the enormity of the situation.
    there is quite a bit of difference between a natural disaster and a man made financial mess. It isn't the role of the govt. to cover state shortfalls so there is no way of knowing how many of those so called saved jobs would have been saved without stimulus money. Someone offers you money so you don't have to use yours,what would you do?

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Stop trying to change the subject. The question isn't whose responsibility it is, but rather, how many jobs were saved by the stimulus.
    There is no way of knowing as you stated,
    It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ok, you're on record as preferring -9% GDP and losing 700,000 jobs in a month, like we saw under Bush as he handed Obama the wheel to the U.S.S. Titanic.
    Don't see great results from Obama, net job loss, declining labor force, 3 million fewer people working, and higher unemployment and it only cost a trillion dollars to generate those numbers. Looks like a net loss to me.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is no way of knowing as you stated,
    I said there is no way of knowing with precision, which is not the same thing as saying that we have no idea.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I said there is no way of knowing with precision, which is not the same thing as saying that we have no idea.
    So if someone asked you to prove your claim, you couldn't do it and that is the point. You could cite opinions but nothing that can actually be counted. Your support for Obama and liberalism is noted, doesn't help your credibility at all.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So if someone asked you to prove your claim, you couldn't do it and that is the point. You could cite opinions but nothing that can actually be counted. Your support for Obama and liberalism is noted, doesn't help your credibility at all.
    I could prove a circumstantial case, sure. But not to a precise number.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post

    Thats true Sheik...it was all going down during bushs watch and his tax cuts failed...but lets be honest, if obama hasnt made it worse, he sure hasnt made it any better and all his bailouts were just as much a failure as the bush tax cuts.
    Sorry, I do see things being better than they were when Obama took over. I see unemployment shrinking by 19,000 jobs in a month as better than unemployment growing by 732,000 jobs in a month. I see 1% GDP growth better than 8.9% GDP contraction. By no means do I think we're out of the woods, but we're definately out of the part of the woods that are on fire.

    I also don't equate one president who led us to the mess Bush led us to with another president who may be unable to fix that mess. It requires a far great level of incompetence to produce the Great Recession than it does to not be able of repairing it in less than 3 years.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    there is quite a bit of difference between a natural disaster and a man made financial mess. It isn't the role of the govt. to cover state shortfalls so there is no way of knowing how many of those so called saved jobs would have been saved without stimulus money. Someone offers you money so you don't have to use yours,what would you do?
    Well we know what Rick Perry did.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Check the date of the article.

    Okay, now you prove that employment wouldn't have been any different without the stimulus.
    If we had not spent what amounted to well over a trillion dollars when you add everything up, sure, it might have been a little worse. Temporarily.

    IMO, unemployment would be better today if we had not put ourselves into that much more debt.
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Well we know what Rick Perry did.
    He did exactly as you would do or anyone else. It is taxpayer money that was being distributed so why wouldn't the state of TX take some of the TX taxpayer money back? Then of course there is the issue of expansion of Medicaid and Unemployment insurance. Who do you think should pay that?

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