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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I blame Obama
    Given his record to date it seems reasonable to do so.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Good point. If liberals were smart they would be conservatives.
    If conservatives were smart they'd vote libertarian. See what I did there?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think it is necessarily loyalty to Obama, as much as it is a complete buy in to what Progressive/Socialistic ideals offer the youth by an education system that is replete with '60s era rejects that wanted nothing better than to end American exceptionalism, and capitalism as a system. They must be called out now, for their intentional attempt to destroy this country, and exposed for the liars they are.

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    When was the last time you were in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Total jobs mean **** to those that get them and today Obama keeps reducing the labor force by creating dispair and watching people drop out of the labor force. reduce that force far enough and the percentage change will look great.
    Then the stimulus meant something to people who were hired because of that spending. You really should try to be less of a partisan hack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most people that understand history, personal responsibility, and the true role of Govt. will indeed vote for the lesser of two evils, Perry if he is the nominee
    How is a person who wants to legislate what happens in the bed room the lesser of two evils?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The problem is you have no idea whether or not those jobs would have been eliminated as the states weren't given the opportunity to solve their own problem. Show me where those jobs are calculated by an unbiased source?
    You are joking right? The states were given nearly 2/3 of the stimulus money to use it as they saw fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Any idea why there is such loyalty to Obama and the liberal ideology in the face of total and complete failure of the stimulus and Obamanomics
    Same reason why there was such loyalty to Bush despite economic and foreign policy failure. Partisan-hackery. The difference between you and some of the other people here is you are blaming Obama for the finical crash and subsequent recession without actually trying to discover the root cause of the failure. Its the equivalent of blaming Bush, who was also a Keynesian just like Paul Ryan
    (don't believe me, read his budget proposal its loaded with deficit spending and tax cuts)
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    If conservatives were smart they'd vote libertarian. See what I did there?
    Why is it smart in a global society to weaken yourself through isolationism, all to advocate the legalization of drugs?

    When was the last time you were in school?
    Why is that relevant? I had two kids in the public system, the most recent graduated last year. My daughter is now in collage. I am familiar with those who infest our education system.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    That's a strawman. First prove this ...


    To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

    ... is not one of those enumerated powers.

    Then prove spending is limited to only those enumerated powers following that one. And before you start posting Madison, expect posts on Hamilton.
    This is tiring. I rreally must save this and then justcopy/paste when it comes up.

    The "common defense/general welfare clause" gives the power to tax so that there is money to spend, and the power to spend that money.
    All monies must be appropriated before they can be spent. The "common denese/general welfare clause" gives no power to appropriate money - that power is found in the 16 clauses that follow.

    Disagree? Please explain the necessary inclusion of the power to raise an army and navy, without which Congress could do no such thing.
    Last edited by PzKfW IVe; 08-26-11 at 04:59 PM.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Note the semi colon use here denoting that the following list of items lays out the prior statement of taxation for the general welfare....In other words the general welfare was listed as those powers written.

    j-mac
    If it's semicolons you want, that section's full of 'em. There's a semicolon following each enumerated power, including the one about providing for the general welfare of the nation. So unless it's your misguided contention that each enumerated power is limited to the ones following each one them respectively, you might want to rethink that.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why is it smart in a global society to weaken yourself through isolationism, all to advocate the legalization of drugs?
    Proving once again you don't know what libertarianism is.



    Why is that relevant? I had two kids in the public system, the most recent graduated last year. My daughter is now in collage. I am familiar with those who infest our education system.
    Its relevant because more and more schools are promoting Friedman.
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Proving once again you don't know what libertarianism is.




    every time a libertarian uses that excuse it translates into
    "you know libertariansim too well"
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    This is tiring. I rreally must save this and then justcopy/paste when it comes up.

    The "common defense/general welfare clause" gives the power to tax so that there is money to spend, and the power to spend that money.
    All monies must be appropriated before they can be spent. The "common denese/general welfare clause" gives no power to appropriate money - that power is found in the 16 clauses that follow.

    Disagree? Please explain the necessary inclusion of the power to raise an army and navy, withouth which Congress could do no such thing.
    If that were the case, it wouldn't have listed general welfare. If you were right, the government wouldn't be allowed to pay for an air force, since that is not specifically enumerated, but does fall within the "common defence" clause.

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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If that were the case, it wouldn't have listed general welfare/
    How is this true, especually given that almost half of the immediately following powers fall under 'general welfare'?

    If you were right, the government wouldn't be allowed to pay for an air force...
    Aside from the fact that the AF was created under the power to raise armies, and then seperated from the army under the power to organize the military... This just means you can argue that the USAF is unconstitutional, and thus, does nothing to counter anything I said.


    -And- you did not explain the necessary inclusion of the power to raise an army and navy, withouth which Congress could do no such thing.

    Thus, your response receives a solid F+
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    Re: Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    If conservatives were smart they'd vote libertarian. See what I did there?
    Sure. You did the same thing I did. I love throw-away lines. They are fun, easy to use and inexpensive.

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