Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Grant said:
And he won the Nobel Peace Prize too!!

I forgot that, just another reason to support him after all he shares that with other great advocates of peace Arafat and Jimmy Carter

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
you mean he cannot run again? Thought he was still in office now. Obama who many believe is the smartest man ever to hold the office couldn't even clean up the mess that Bush created in 2011. That damn Bush!!

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

I'm sure when Michele Bachmann, Rick Parry, or whoever has an R by their name all the problems of the past will disappear and again we will be paving our streets with bricks of gold:mrgreen:

All financed with various paper instruments designed to spread risk.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
Get your facts straight, there are two factors in debt - spending and revenue. Revenue was lost because of the Great Bush Recession.

You mean those 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans aren't paying much in taxes?

pbrauer · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
I am so happy that Obama ended that war and closed GITMO

I don't believe Al Gore would have done such a stupid thing as to attack a county that didn't attack us. Bush should have attacked Mexico as the logistics would have been much better. :mrgreen:

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

winston53660 said:
I'm sure when Michele Bachmann, Rick Parry, or whoever has an R by their name all the problems of the past will disappear and again we will be paving our streets with bricks of gold:mrgreen:

All financed with various paper instruments designed to spread risk.

That is over a year from now, what I am trying to figure out is how to get Bush out of the WH now

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

AdamT · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are so right, it was really much better paying 17.5% and higher for home mortgages, having a 20% misery index, and 10.8% unemployment in the 80's than having record low interest rates, 7.6% unemployment, and almost zero inflation in 2009. We were much worse off today than then.

Yes indeed, it is better to pay 17% on a mortgage than it is to have your home foreclosed on, or to be unable to obtain a mortgage at any cost.

In five years we can compare Regan's eight-year results to Obama's eight-year results. As you note, Reagan's two-year results weren't so hot. :lol:

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
I don't believe Al Gore would have done such a stupid thing as to attack a county that didn't attack us. Bush should have attacked Mexico as the logistics would have been much better. :mrgreen:

We can only hope that he didn't mean what he said

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

AdamT said:
Yes indeed, it is better to pay 17% on a mortgage than it is to have your home foreclosed on, or to be unable to obtain a mortgage at any cost.

In five years we can compare Regan's eight-year results to Obama's eight-year results. As you note, Reagan's two-year results weren't so hot. :lol:

You are absolutely correct, there were no foreclosures in the 80's recession.

AdamT · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are absolutely correct, there were no foreclosures in the 80's recession.

Comparatively speaking, no.

Of course there were some in Reagan's self-created S&L crisis.... Which led to Reagan's early 90s recession....

Grant · Aug 16, 2011

pbrauer said:
Get your facts straight, there are two factors in debt - spending and revenue. Revenue was lost because of the Great Bush Recession.

So according to the Obama Skool of Ekonomics, when revenue goes down, spending goes up exponentially and the subsequent downgrades are a signal that there should be even greater trillions spent because..... Well I'm actually not too sure about that last bit.

winston53660 · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
We can only hope that he didn't mean what he said

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

So uhmm you believe mankind is fully responsible for global warming now right?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Ockham said:
Bush GDP to spending ratio: 69.15%
Obama GDP to spending ratio:92.47%

Bush unemployment rate: 7.3%
Obama unemployment rate: 9.1%

That completely ignores the hand both of those presidents were dealt. Factor that in, and it paints an entirely different picture ...

First of all, you mean debt/GDP ratio, not spending/GDP ratio. Secondly, you're attributing Bush's budget deficit of FY2009 to Obama. And thirdly ...

Bush GDP to debt ratio: started at 56.09% and ended at 84.11% -- an increase of 50%

Obama GDP to debt ratio: started at 84.11% and is currently at 105.23% -- an increase of 25%

Bush's budgets create a 50% increase in debt as a percentage of GDP; Obama, a 35% increase ... Conservatives prefer Bush. Go figure?

Bush unemployment rate: started at 4.2% and ended at 7.8% -- an increase of 86%
Obama unemployment rate: started at 7.8% and is currently at 9.1% -- an increase of 17%

Bush, 86% increase in unemployment; Obama, 17% increase ... Conservatives prefer Bush. Go figure?

Grant · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
I forgot that, just another reason to support him after all he shares that with other great advocates of peace Arafat and Jimmy Carter

Yes, but of these three very special men Arafat was probably more clearly focused on his goals, as well as a better administrator, but both Carter and Obama had far toothier grins.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
That completely ignores the hand both of those presidents were dealt. Factor that in, and it paints an entirely different picture ...

First of all, you mean debt/GDP ratio, not spending/GDP ratio. Secondly, you're attributing Bush's budget deficit of FY2009 to Obama. And thirdly ...

Bush GDP to debt ratio: started at 56.09% and ended at 84.11% -- an increase of 50%

Obama GDP to debt ratio: started at 84.11% and is currently at 105.23% -- an increase of 25%

Bush's budgets create a 50% increase in debt as a percentage of GDP; Obama, a 35% increase ... Conservatives prefer Bush. Go figure?

Bush unemployment rate: started at 4.2% and ended at 7.8% -- an increase of 86%
Obama unemployment rate: started at 7.8% and is currently at 9.1% -- an increase of 17%

Bush, 86% increase in unemployment; Obama, 17% increase ... Conservatives prefer Bush. Go figure?

Sheik, I know you will join me in helping get Bush out of the WH for it is a shame to see Obama get the blame for the following economic results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

I love the way you compare percentage change. Can I use that in my arguments in support of Obama? What the hell does it matter that there are 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans since the percentage change is better than Bush's? I further love how Obama was in office most of 2009 but the debt is all Bush's. I really want to be part of a group that can manipulate numbers like this. Thanks for inspiring me

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
you mean he cannot run again? Thought he was still in office now.

Hey look, here's an article that says he's in office ...

$400 billion deficit to greet Bush's successor - USATODAY.com

I suppose using your logic that Obama's JAR is still 39% because outdated sources you post say so means Bush is still in office, eh?

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Grant said:
Yes, but of these three very special men Arafat was probably more clearly focused on his goals, as well as a better administrator, but both Carter and Obama had far toothier grins.

When I look at Obama I am in awe of the smile and the rhetoric. He truly cares and thus the results are irrelevant. We have to get Bush out of the WH now so as to not disparage Obama's impeccable reputation and outstanding economic results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hey look, here's an article that says he's in office ...

$400 billion deficit to greet Bush's successor - USATODAY.com

I suppose using your logic that Obama's JAR is still 39% because outdated sources you post say so means Bush is still in office, eh?

Right, and just think how much Bush added to the debt in 2010 and 2011. We have to get him out of the office so Obama doesn't get the blame for the following

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Grant · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
When I look at Obama I am in awe of the smile and the rhetoric. He truly cares and thus the results are irrelevant. We have to get Bush out of the WH now so as to not disparage Obama's impeccable reputation and outstanding economic results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

After reading all this negative talk about George Bush, and these people have no reason to lie, I'm certainly not going to vote for him in 2012!!

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
You are so right, it was really much better paying 17.5% and higher for home mortgages, having a 20% misery index, and 10.8% unemployment in the 80's than having record low interest rates, 7.6% unemployment, and almost zero inflation in 2009. We were much worse off today than then.

Whoaaa .... Reagan inherited 7.5% unemployment, not 10.8%. And that "close to zero inflation" is a benefit of Bush's Great Recession.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Whoaaa .... Reagan inherited 7.5% unemployment, not 10.8%. And that "close to zero inflation" is a benefit of Bush's Great Recession.

Exactly right. I won't be voting for Reagan in 2012 either. We do have to get Bush out of the WH though as we cannot have "our" President taking the blame for these results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Grant said:
So according to the Obama Skool of Ekonomics, when revenue goes down, spending goes up exponentially and the subsequent downgrades are a signal that there should be even greater trillions spent because..... Well I'm actually not too sure about that last bit.

Ummm, spending went down in 2010.

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, spending went down in 2010.

Great information, I will have to remember that in my argument with other conservatives. Doubt they will be smart enough to know that 2009 had TARP and Stimulus spending, Way to go!!

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
I love the way you compare percentage change.

I wish I could say the same about the way you deviously omit what each president started with, but I can't.

I can't help if you wish to ignore that while unemployment has grown 17% under Obama, it nearly doubled under Bush.

Conservative said:
I further love how Obama was in office most of 2009 but the debt is all Bush's.

Not all, but certainly most. The deficit was expected to grow by $1.2 trillion in FY2009 before Obama even became president. Leave it to a Conservative to blame someone other than Bush for the results of Bush's budget.

Conservative said:
I really want to be part of a group that can manipulate numbers like this. Thanks for inspiring me

You're already in the group of Conservatives who call 41%, "39%".

Conservative · Aug 16, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I wish I could say the same about the way you deviously omit what each president started with, but I can't.

I can't help if you wish to ignore that while unemployment has grown 17% under Obama, it nearly doubled under Bush.

Not all, but certainly most. The deficit was expected to grow by $1.2 trillion in FY2009 before Obama even became president. Leave it to a Conservative to blame someone other than Bush for the results of Bush's budget.

You're already in the group of Conservatives who call 41%, "39%".

You are right, now if we can only get Bush out of the Wh Obama won't have to be blamed for the following

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

There is no reason for a 39% approval rating as all the 2011 numbers belong to Bush

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 16, 2011

Conservative said:
Great information, I will have to remember that in my argument with other conservatives. Doubt they will be smart enough to know that 2009 had TARP and Stimulus spending, Way to go!!

Guess you don't know that 2010 also had stimulus money spent, huh?

What a pity.