Page 31 of 36 FirstFirst ... 212930313233 ... LastLast
Results 301 to 310 of 358

Thread: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

  1. #301
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is much easier to control a corporation than it s a corrupt and powerful government.
    So I know folks on the right think that- that it is easier to control a corporation than a government- but I honestly have no idea how you guys could think that was true. It makes zero sense to me. The government is designed from the ground up to be under the control of the people. That's what voting is there for. There isn't anything like that at all for corporations... The best you can do is to stop buying a product if you happen to be one of their customers. If you aren't one of their customers there is nothing you can do, and even if you are a customer, stopping buying a product is nowhere near to the level of control that you get from actually picking the people in charge... I dunno. Maybe you can explain it to me.

  2. #302
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    09-24-17 @ 04:38 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    29,261

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    No problem. We can add yours to the list of biased people who won't look at anything objectively. Again, not a problem.

    So the majority of teabaggers are socialists?

  3. #303
    Sage
    pbrauer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    11-27-15 @ 03:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    25,394

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    This is very true.


    So let me see if I understand your point of view. You do not like the status quo, but you would rather deal with the status quo and defeat the GOP regardless of what you might actually believe is good for the country. One could argue that Obama is really Bush III and Bachmann/Romney/Perry are Bush IV. If you really want to change the status quo (for example, do the stuff that Obama promised but has not delivered) look at the only candidate who will. It sure as hell isn't any one mentioned above. Hint he came in second in that "irrelevant poll".
    SCOTUS is arguably the most powerful branch of government, so for me, changing 5-4 court to a 4-5 court in the most important issue.


  4. #304
    Mod Conspiracy Theorist
    rocket88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    A very blue state
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,159

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I see that you buy into the two wrongs make a right morality. Interesting.
    Where do you get that? I'm just saying that if you're making a list of biased people who can't see objectively, they're on both sides. It's a big list.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

  5. #305
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Seen
    08-25-16 @ 08:31 PM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    11,265

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post

    Oh, I am sure that everything you say appears to be objective to you. Pshaw!
    How do we know you're the one who doesn't see this objectively?

  6. #306
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So I know folks on the right think that- that it is easier to control a corporation than a government- but I honestly have no idea how you guys could think that was true. It makes zero sense to me. The government is designed from the ground up to be under the control of the people. That's what voting is there for. There isn't anything like that at all for corporations... The best you can do is to stop buying a product if you happen to be one of their customers. If you aren't one of their customers there is nothing you can do, and even if you are a customer, stopping buying a product is nowhere near to the level of control that you get from actually picking the people in charge... I dunno. Maybe you can explain it to me.
    Which corporation do you feel is out of control and using it's influence in a negative way? The carte blanche distrust of corporations, which have been around forever, doesn't make any real sense that I can see.

    The only corporations I know which have done something I believe to be underhanded were GM and Chrysler executives, all of whom fiddled with the government, public money, and to the profit of the fats cats and without regard its lesser shareholders. There should be a law against governments and corporations working together to screw the public but corporations on their own are of little threat whatsoever.


    And the government is under the control of the people? That's certainly not so and becoming less true every day. They control most every aspect of our lives but because its incremental we hardly notice it at all. And all the control we give them is always for our own good. Or that's the way the argument goes anyway.

  7. #307
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How do we know you're the one who doesn't see this objectively?
    Who? LesGovt?

  8. #308
    Sage
    Hatuey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    42,045

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which corporation do you feel is out of control and using it's influence in a negative way?
    Microsoft, Apple, most petroleum operations in Africa, Wal-Mart, Google, etc. The list goes on.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

  9. #309
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Seen
    08-25-16 @ 08:31 PM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    11,265

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post

    Who? LesGovt?
    Just sayin'.

  10. #310
    Sage
    teamosil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    San Francisco
    Last Seen
    05-22-14 @ 12:47 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    6,623

    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which corporation do you feel is out of control and using it's influence in a negative way? The carte blanche distrust of corporations, which have been around forever, doesn't make any real sense that I can see.

    The only corporations I know which have done something I believe to be underhanded were GM and Chrysler executives, all of whom fiddled with the government, public money, and to the profit of the fats cats and without regard its lesser shareholders. There should be a law against governments and corporations working together to screw the public but corporations on their own are of little threat whatsoever.
    It isn't about being underhanded or distrusting them or something. Corporations exist to make profit. That is their top priority. As it should be. But things that mean making more profit don't always align with the good of the people and sometimes it's exactly the opposite of the good of the people. For example, say you have a widget factory. You have two options for how to make the widgets. Process A costs you only $10 per widget, but means dumping a bunch of waste into the lake. Process B costs $13 per widget, but doesn't involve any dumping in the lake. Any corporation would choose process A. But, if dumping waste in the lake creates $10 in costs per widget- say lost property value for shore front property, lost fishing, increased water processing requirements for the town, whatever. So, process A is actually less efficient than process B when you take the whole picture in to account. That is one of government's main functions- to force corporations to pay for their own externalities. I don't know that the corporation would be being underhanded by dumping in the lake if it wasn't against the law, but nonetheless that is a behavior we need to control, right?

    Virtually every corporation has situations like that. Maybe they would rather use less safe materials or they would rather provide unsafe working conditions or whatever. It isn't that they're like intentionally being evil, it's just that they are after profits above all else and the most profitable thing isn't always the best thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And the government is under the control of the people? That's certainly not so and becoming less true every day. They control most every aspect of our lives but because its incremental we hardly notice it at all. And all the control we give them is always for our own good. Or that's the way the argument goes anyway.
    Nonetheless, we have the vote. You might feel like the government isn't doing what you think it should, but that doesn't mean the people don't control the government. They most definitely do. Every 2 years we vote for our leaders. Those are the folks we picked in there.

Page 31 of 36 FirstFirst ... 212930313233 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •