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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    I think you may be in denial. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but a business man. BTW, have you heard of the word lobbyist? Do you know what they do?
    I have heard of lobbyists. In fact, I worked in the legislature for a while and dealt with them regularly. I most definitely never saw or heard of any incident where anybody was offered an actual bribe or anything remotely like that. They watch those folks very, very, closely. You could easily take out a representative or senator if you even found evidence suggesting that anybody on their staff even might have taken a bribe. Like think of the huge scandal that it was when that one representative let some group that was putting on a charity event pay for his hotel room at the conference... It was like 2 years of hearings just over that... If somebody were caught taking an actual bribe it would not only destroy their career and/or the career of the candidate they work for if they're just a staffer, but it would do major damage to the entire party. Somebody would have to be pretty stupid to take a risk like that. Not saying it has never happened. I'm sure it has. But like maybe once every few years and most likely on a pretty minor thing and a low level staffer.

    At the state level it appears to happen a bit more, but still not often. At the city and local level it's hard to really know what goes on since they're under a lot less scrutiny, but definitely is seems like more shady stuff happens down there. The federal level is pretty clean though. Campaign donations from shady sources is about the worst it gets, but of course the candidate doesn't get that money.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The TPs misunderstandings about basic economics prevented real solutions from being considered.

    And just so you know, the TP is nothing more than a rebranding of the GOP so disenfranchised RW voters will come back into the fold.
    There would have been no debate about the debt ceiling if there had not been a monumental deficit and debt. None of the Tea Parties did that.

    You can categorize the Tea Parties any way you wish, but it is obvious that you are biased against them. That's fine. We just need to remember that when you make your comments.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Surely bias against the Tea Party loons is a sign of intelligence and good judgement.

    Unless simpletons who attend political rallies carrying automatic weapons and racist signs are your idea of evolved political debate.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The vast majority of Teabaggers are Conservatives and the Tea Party itself is little more than the Republican party reinvented after they ran the nation's economy into the ground. Once Obama became president, the Republican party was left in such a shambles, it was in no position to challange Obama; so Conservatives, like the Phoenix rising from the ashes, started up the Tea Party. Most of the teabaggers are either Republican or former Republicans who left the party in disgust.
    No problem. We can add yours to the list of biased people who won't look at anything objectively. Again, not a problem.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Surely bias against the Tea Party loons is a sign of intelligence and good judgement.

    Unless simpletons who attend political rallies carrying automatic weapons and racist signs are your idea of evolved political debate.
    And now we can also add your name to the biased people who cannot be objective. Wow! All in a matter of a few moments. Amazing!

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    No problem. We can add yours to the list of biased people who won't look at anything objectively. Again, not a problem.
    That's a long list around here. Once you add the ones who turn every thread into "Obama this and Obama that."


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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's a long list around here. Once you add the ones who turn every thread into "Obama this and Obama that."
    I see that you buy into the two wrongs make a right morality. Interesting.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I guess I just fundamentally disagree with that. In my experience, less government means less free and less responsible people. The most essential functions of government in my view are to stop corporations from oppressing people and to force corporations to take responsibility for damage they cause. That means fighting for freedom and responsibility.
    It seems the enemy today is 'corporations" when in the past it was pollution, racism, sexism, global warming, overpopulation, and so on. The fact is that corporations are relatively easy to control if they aren't hand in glove with government, as we see today.

    When government is involved in rescuing corporations, or including them in the government as they have done with GE, then we should really be very concerned. It is much easier to control a corporation than it s a corrupt and powerful government.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post

    No problem. We can add yours to the list of biased people who won't look at anything objectively. Again, not a problem.
    Seems objective to me. Oh well, c'est la vie.

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    Re: Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, keeps momentum

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Seems objective to me. Oh well, c'est la vie.
    Oh, I am sure that everything you say appears to be objective to you. Pshaw!

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