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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Logical fallacy. Texas governors are individuals. This is no worse than saying Obama is a corrupted thug simply because he comes from Chicago.
    Perhaps you aren't familiar with Illinois politics.

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    Also, Bush had a Democrat congress when the economy went down, Obama hasn't helped the economy either and his stimulus promises were all flops. He's spending like crazy and many Americans are waking up to this.
    The republicans spent like crazy too. This has been building up for some time now. Both parties are to blame.


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    The same thing runs through my mind when I think of Obama winning a 2nd term. Perry or Bachman would make better presidents than Obama.
    Bachman thinks defaulting would fix the economy. That would not be better.
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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Bachman thinks defaulting would fix the economy. That would not be better.
    Much as I like Digsbe, that statement about Bachman comes from his desire for a strong social conservative in the White House rather then a pragmatic leader.

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Perhaps you aren't familiar with Illinois politics.
    I think everyone in the country sadily is familiar now.....Thanks to Barry the liar.

    The republicans spent like crazy too. This has been building up for some time now. Both parties are to blame.
    Really dumb argument....Well, the other party did it too....So it's ok....Repubs got served in the '06 elections for acting like liberals, we'll see how it works out for demo's this time around...My guess is not too well.....heh, heh...

    Bachman thinks defaulting would fix the economy. That would not be better.
    Mischaracterizing her position, and outright lying is the only thing liberals have this election cycle, then it is going to be ugly for libs.

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mischaracterizing her position, and outright lying is the only thing liberals have this election cycle, then it is going to be ugly for libs.

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    You will disagree of course but I believe Palin hurt Bachmann more than anything.

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mischaracterizing her position, and outright lying is the only thing liberals have this election cycle, then it is going to be ugly for libs.
    Her actual position was even crazier than that. She maintained that not paying our debts would not be a default. She has stated that she would not raise the debt ceiling then or in the future, which is complete insanity. And of course she lies all the time.

    Michele Bachmann’s inaccurate recounting of the debt-ceiling saga - The Fact Checker - The Washington Post

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Which means the policies of both parties was at fault right? I don't think it's fair to look at Bush and say "Republicans did it" while ignoring that he had a Dem senate that pushed for deficit spending. Obama had two years of Democrat monopoly in congress and nothing was fixed. His stimulus bill failed and only plunged us deeper in debt. I think the economy is more complex than party lines, but I don't think it's fair or right to blame the collapse on Republicans and for people to proclaim that Obama has saved us and is turning the economy around.



    Do I have to agree with Bachmann on everything? I would have raised the debt ceiling but made cuts to programs more so than what happened. I view Obama as crazy. As a senator he was one of the most liberal Democrats in congress. He's spent and spent and spent while acting like an arrogant child towards any opposition he may face. His answer is "blame Bush, blame the Republicans" to pretty much everything wrong with this country. I would certainly hope Americans are intelligent enough to see through Obama and understand that his policies are only bankrupting the country. I'm not saying that Bachmann is the best choice, I'm just saying she (and Perry) would be better choices than Obama.
    My main concern is the recession... We can work on the deficit when the economy is healthy and people are working. Right now government revenue is going to lower than usual because so many people are unemployed and the economy is in a slump. When I went to college I racked up debt... now that I am work force, I am paying it down fast. When in college, I still made my payments but I wasn't worried about paying off my loans immediately...

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really dumb argument....Well, the other party did it too....So it's ok....Repubs got served in the '06 elections for acting like liberals, we'll see how it works out for demo's this time around...My guess is not too well.....heh, heh...
    I never said it's ok. You get an "F" for reading comprehension.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Mischaracterizing her position, and outright lying is the only thing liberals have this election cycle, then it is going to be ugly for libs.
    She said it was easy to fix the economy. Don't raise the debt ceiling. What have I mischaracterized?
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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Did Obama's stimulus get us down to the 8% unemployment like he promised? Did Obama's healthcare law really preform good healthcare reform (No)? Look at how Obama is spending. He's spending like a fiscal moron and it's devaluing the dollar. Obama got us in a war with Libya and essentially mooned congress and said he would not seek approval for his military actions (Worse than Bush no?) So because I said I wouldn't raise the debt ceiling without at least trying to reform spending makes me illogical? what's illogical is handing out a blank check to a president and congress that is spending at record levels and bringing us deeper and deeper in debt. I agree that raising the debt ceiling would be required, I never denied that. What I said is that I would not have raised it unconditionally and would attempt to reform spending. This said, my priority would be to raise the ceiling to prevent America from defaulting even if my goals could not be achieved.

    Why do you think that I didn't have a problem with Bush's wars and Bush's spending? I do, and his spending was bad for our country much like how Obama's spending is bad for the country. I'll flip the question on you now. Why was it a problem for Bush to raise the debt ceiling and pay for wars while it isn't a problem for Obama to raise the debt ceiling, continue the wars, and start his own in Libya without even seeking congressional approval?
    Obama worked with the GOP and they cut spending... They didn't raise taxes, one of the things S&P recommended doing and look where it got us... downgraded. Now we'll have to pay more interest on our loans...

    Bachmann is crazy. She shouldn't be president, she'd wreck this country just to show she sticks to her principles. Nothing personal towards you, but I can't take the concerns about spending seriously from the right. They didn't complain when Bush ran up the debt, and now, it's all about the spending... even if spending cuts destroy jobs and spending cuts hurt people. I don't agree with that.

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    My main concern is the recession... We can work on the deficit when the economy is healthy and people are working. Right now government revenue is going to lower than usual because so many people are unemployed and the economy is in a slump. When I went to college I racked up debt... now that I am work force, I am paying it down fast. When in college, I still made my payments but I wasn't worried about paying off my loans immediately...

    Here is another debt concern

    Two-thirds of bachelor’s degree recipients graduated with debt in 2008, compared with less than half in 1993. Last year, graduates who took out loans left college with an average of $24,000 in debt. Default rates are rising, especially among those who attended for-profit colleges.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/ed...12college.html



    For-profit colleges in the United States serve about 9 percent of the overall population at higher education institutions nationwide.
    The Obama administartion has been engaged in a running battle with the for-profit industry over a proposed rule that would make the commercial schools ineligible for federal aid if too many of their students default on their loans.
    The administration has already adopted several new rules that will give the Department of Education more authority over for-profit universities. But the most crucial rule, the “gainful employment” provision, is still awaiting approval, and the industry is pushing back hard.
    Under the provision, the education department would examine for-profit colleges and nonprofit trade programs to see how much debt their students accumulated in paying for schooling, and whether the jobs they secured after graduation allowed them to repay their loans. Programs that had particularly high debt ratios combined with very low repayment rates could become ineligible for student aid.
    The department calculated earlier in 2010 that about 5 percent of the programs covered under the proposed rule would be forced to shut down.
    As the money has flowed to the for-profit university industry, questions are being raised in Congress and elsewhere about their recruitment practices, and whether they really deliver on their education promises.
    The General Accountability Office in 2010 issued a harsh report that concluded the for-profit colleges visited by its undercover investigators, posing as prospective students and using hidden cameras to record admission representatives, had engaged in deception or fraud.
    For-Profit Schools and For-Profit Colleges - The New York Times

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    Re: Rick Perry Enters G.O.P. Race for President

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Really dumb argument....Well, the other party did it too....So it's ok....Repubs got served in the '06 elections for acting like liberals, we'll see how it works out for demo's this time around...My guess is not too well.....heh, heh...
    So are you telling us you voted for a bunch of dems to toss those republicans out?

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