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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Try this on: instead of requiring everyone who can afford it to buy insurance, create a new income tax surcharge that EVERYONE will have to pay
    he couldn't even get a twenty five cent tax hike on MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES

    thru his own LAME DUCK

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    fantasize much?

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The whole point of calling it a mandate was to avoid calling it a tax, silly..

    Politicians, especially democrats, have trouble calling a tax hike, a tax hike..

    By the way, your "idea" is the exact same thing as the mandate, no matter how much you think it isn't. Our hope is that we put people in positions of justice that are smart enough to figure our your little play on words..


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    Yes, that was my point exactly. It is the same thing but if you state it the other way around, no one would question it's constitutionality. And either way it is ONLY a tax if someone makes the conscious decision not to take personal responsibility for himself and purchase health insurance. And why are we upset if someone who intentionally decides to sponge off everyone else has to pay a nominal tax? It's beyond me.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's beyond me.
    either way

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Obama's healthcare reform law is NOT the first time Americans were required to purchase something they might not otherwise want to buy.

    The Militia Act of 1792 required all white men between 18-45 to buy a rifle, ammo, powder, and a satchel.

    and yet for some odd reason, this law was never challenged in court.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Obama's healthcare reform law is NOT the first time Americans were required to purchase something they might not otherwise want to buy.

    The Militia Act of 1792 required all white men between 18-45 to buy a rifle, ammo, powder, and a satchel.

    and yet for some odd reason, this law was never challenged in court.
    It really is absurd to argue that this is unconstitutional. In practical effect it is no different from any tax preference. It's like saying that the mortgage interest deduction is unconstitutional because it forces everyone to buy a house ... or else pay higher taxes.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    And just think, we could have avoided all this nonsense if we'd just gone with the public option, which was what everyone actually wanted, instead of this mandate crap.
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And just think, we could have avoided all this nonsense if we'd just gone with the public option, which was what everyone actually wanted, instead of this mandate crap.
    Well I would have preferred single-payer or actual socialized medicine like England's NHS, but the public option would have been a good start.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Obamacare is a scourge and should end...it would cost us untold amounts..from start to finish it was done all wrong...America does not like obamacare does not want obamacare...and the way Pelosi gloated and sneered at america daily for weeks ramming it down everyones throat..is probably the single most reason Obama is as unpopular as he is and its certainly was the cause of the creation of the teaparty....end obamacare...there are many better ways to cover everyone with health care.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The waivers were written into the law to prevent businesses from being punished due to preexisting contracts. There is absolutely no evidence that waivers are being granted preferentially.
    If a law doesn?t work, waive it away? - Boston.com

    Ya, 1400 companies get waivers... and put it this way, it's not the mom and pop shops that are getting these waivers. It's those people that have the best capacity to actually cover the exorbitant cost this will create... how is that NOT preferential???

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    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    Well I would have preferred single-payer or actual socialized medicine like England's NHS, but the public option would have been a good start.
    Of course, because when you mix corporate and government power, you get fascism. Nobody wants that to happen.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Socialist. View Post
    Well I would have preferred single-payer or actual socialized medicine like England's NHS, but the public option would have been a good start.
    They had to strangle people to get this vote passed as it was...single payer had no chance to pass...but Pelosi was hell bent on passing ANYTHING because she believed it would be her legacy...she passed a bad bill and she is forever labled in an unflattering way to say it nicely.

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