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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The gov could have avoided all this follow-up drama if they had just avoided 'requiring' anything - and just made it an option for those who qualified like all other government programs are run.

    Foodstamps and pell grants haven't put banks and product manufacturers out of business
    Private businesses aren't required to provide foodstamps and pell grants for each of their employees, either.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

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    ..Third, as this court has deemed, Obamacare is unconstitutional, so, without changing the constitution the US canno have UHC because the founders preferred that people be individually responsible, and independent of as much government controls as possible.
    no, the Appeals Court has deemed the individual mandate to be unConstitutional, not ALL of Obamacare.

    and the SCOTUS has the final say anyways, so who cares what the lower courts think.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

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    Private businesses aren't required to provide foodstamps and pell grants for each of their employees, either.
    My point with that line goes to people's arguments that the government's health care erquirement will put private insurance companies (etc) out of business.

    But we have countless thriving private businesses even know - even WITH the function and presence of government support and aid that's provided. The Health Department gives immunizations - but numerous doctors still do. Free dental clinics still give dental exams and work to the poor - but dentists are still very much *in* business.

    On and on - I think there's plenty of proof that just because the government offers something the private businesses who offer it as well won't necessarily be folding under.
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, the Appeals Court has deemed the individual mandate to be unConstitutional, not ALL of Obamacare.

    and the SCOTUS has the final say anyways, so who cares what the lower courts think.
    The quicker this entire bill is toilet paper, the better off we'll all be.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    My point with that line goes to people's arguments that the government's health care erquirement will put private insurance companies (etc) out of business.

    But we have countless thriving private businesses even know - even WITH the function and presence of government support and aid that's provided. The Health Department gives immunizations - but numerous doctors still do. Free dental clinics still give dental exams and work to the poor - but dentists are still very much *in* business.

    On and on - I think there's plenty of proof that just because the government offers something the private businesses who offer it as well won't necessarily be folding under.
    Pell grants and food stamps don't directly effect a company's bottom line, the way that Obamacare will. Cutting into the bottom line, even more and during a depression will most certainly cause businesses to go belly up. There are alot of them that are holding on by shoestring, as it is.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The quicker this entire bill is toilet paper, the better off we'll all be.
    Except for hte people who don't earn enough to cover their own insurance or basic healthcare costs - they won't have anything after all this is said and done.

    Somehow - if it mattered to the liberals and democrats - they'd figure out another way to care for these people.

    I think they should just alter an existing healthcare program that the government and my state are in for together - like 'AR Kids 1st' - it's a partial insurance program for parents who don't qualify for 100% gov-funded healthcare. It requires a small co-pay at each office visit of maybe $10.00

    I think something like that hsould just be altered and expanded to include anyone who's willing to pay a small copay and seed fee each month - child-having status, marital status shouldn't be factored in - income can be higher than that for the cut off for government foodstamps (example) - and there should be a grace period when coverage ends to ensure that those shifting to their private insurance don't go without.
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The quicker this entire bill is toilet paper, the better off we'll all be.
    Right, I'm impressed by Republicans' efforts to protect people who sponge off the health care system, costing those of us who do pay for their own insurance a significant amount of money. Save the free riders! To hell with personal responsibility! The new Republican slogan....

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, I'm impressed by Republicans' efforts to protect people who sponge off the health care system, costing those of us who do pay for their own insurance a significant amount of money. Save the free riders! To hell with personal responsibility! The new Republican slogan....
    To bad we didn't try and find away to cover those with no insurance as opposed to wasting a year on something that's just going to get tossed.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    this is a signficant development on several levels

    politically, it is high wind in the anti's sails, a strongly worded statement in favor of TWENTY SIX attorneys general of the united states

    this is historically completely unprecedented, radically unprecedented, to have the majority of the commonwealths' depts of justice SUE the federal govt in objection to a major social reform enacted (by senate reconciliation) just months before...

    the first dem appointee came over to the anti's in atlanta, as well

    this is seriously sobering and depressing news for the white house

    on substance, we are a significant footstep closer to scotus and ultimate repeal

    patience, patriots, we will prevail

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    numbers remarkably steady, two years

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

    america does NOT like obamacare

    when's the last time you heard him TAKING CREDIT for his number one DOMESTIC ACHIEVEMENT?

    for example

    he'd rather not talk about it, it appears

    party on, progressives, seeya at the polls

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