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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, you cannot say something exists without proving it does. That is how this works.
    some folks think we should just take their word for it.

    again...and again...and again.


    sorry, but when you have a habit of lying & making baseless claims, I ain't gonna take your word for anything.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wouldn't doubt that lipo is in there, however here is an article from last year at the 6 month anniversary of the train wreck known as Obamacare....Read it.



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    The article references a Heritage Foundation analysis.

    Briefly what happened with the ACA is Medicare will absorb some of the benefits offered by Medicare Advantage while reducing payment to the private insurers. Privately owned Medicare Advantage typically costs the government 14% more than when the benefit is provided by Medicare.

    The Heritage Foundation is calculating costs of the benefits lost (that was formerly provided by MA) and translating them into monetary loss for the Medicare beneficiaries and it could if the beneficiary decided they didn't want to give up that benefit that Medicare didn't pickup.

    That is what some would call trimming the 'fat', or we could continue to provide, at taxpayer expense, the free aspirin, free Band-Aids, free blood pressure machine, free ear thermometer, gym memberships, flu shots that MA's provided.
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Of course, like most critics of health care reform, he has no idea what's in the bill. He just knows that he's against it.
    I cannot believe that you walked straight into this one.


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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I cannot believe that you walked straight into this one.

    Yeah, your response was 100% predictable. There's nothing wrong with Pelosi's statement. Basically what she said was that, once people (not Congress) really understand what's in HCR, they will like it. Well, it's been quite some time now and if someone hasn't taken the time to learn the first thing about HCR, I don't think it's Nancy Pelosi's fault.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, your response was 100% predictable. There's nothing wrong with Pelosi's statement. Basically what she said was that, once people (not Congress) really understand what's in HCR, they will like it. Well, it's been quite some time now and if someone hasn't taken the time to learn the first thing about HCR, I don't think it's Nancy Pelosi's fault.
    Spin, spin.

    We have to pass a bill before we can tell the public what is in the bill. Really? That's a fine position to take. Give me a break. There is nothing, NOTHING, preventing Congress from making available all the details of the bill to the public before they start the process of passing the bill. Nothing.

    Secondly, even Congress didn't know what was in the bill. The reports of Congressmen not reading the bill in it's entirety are legion.


    Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), one of the chief authors of the healthcare law, suggested Tuesday he did not read the entire piece of legislation.


    Third, the fact that they passed a bill without reading it bit them in the ass:


    In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.

    For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

    The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yeah, your response was 100% predictable. There's nothing wrong with Pelosi's statement. Basically what she said was that, once people (not Congress) really understand what's in HCR, they will like it. Well, it's been quite some time now and if someone hasn't taken the time to learn the first thing about HCR, I don't think it's Nancy Pelosi's fault.
    Wasn't it her and Obama who stated they were going to be the most transparent govt? Thought they were going to post bills for the public to mull over before votes. You are right it is up to each of us to eductate ourselves on what Congress is doing. It sometimes is diffucult when items are pushed through and information is not provided to the public till after the fact.

    I will take what Pelosi stated at face value. I don't think she new what all was in it, when she voted for it.
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Spin, spin.

    We have to pass a bill before we can tell the public what is in the bill. Really? That's a fine position to take. Give me a break. There is nothing, NOTHING, preventing Congress from making available all the details of the bill to the public before they start the process of passing the bill. Nothing.
    Spin spin is exactly right. That's what Pelosi was driving at. Once all of the Republical spin and lies about death panels and health care for illegals and all of that bullsh*t blows over, people will start to see for themselves it was all nonsense and the bill is actually good for the country.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    More government while citizens are unemployed. Wouldn't less government and lower unemployment be better? Am I just dreaming?
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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Spin, spin.
    Being factually correct is not spin. Both sides too easily misrepresent comments like Pelosi's IMHO.

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    Re: Appeals court rules against Obama healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by retirein10years View Post
    More government while citizens are unemployed. Wouldn't less government and lower unemployment be better? Am I just dreaming?
    Yep, you are just dreaming. How do you get less government? You fire government workers. How does that impact unemployment? It doesn't help!

    In fact that's a big part of the reason unemployment isn't improving more quickly. Private industry is adding over a hundred thousand jobs a month but state and local governments are cutting tens of thousands of jobs every month.

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