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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We won Vietnam, too.
    It appears that you are either a complete fool or can't read.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In other words, you can't answer the question, so you're going to bombard with talking points and hyperbole?
    Your refusal to see a simple answer is no concern of mine.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    It appears that you are either a complete fool or can't read.
    You're wrong on both accounts. I know enough to know that the Taliban isn't, "beating", us. If anyone is losing, it's the defeatists here at home.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're wrong on both accounts. I know enough to know that the Taliban isn't, "beating", us. If anyone is losing, it's the defeatists here at home.
    I understand it may be a stretch, but that response was about Vietnam, can you at least try to keep up?

    The one law that was immutable during America's long, bitter and costly involvement in Vietnam was Murphy's: Everything that could go wrong did. There is blame enough to go around, and Jeffrey Record spares no one in this brief but thoughtful examination of all the old arguments and all the old questions.

    Where were civilian political leaders with a vision keen enough to recognize that Indochina made no real claim on America's national security interests? Where were military leaders of the caliber of Omar Bradley and Matthew B. Ridgeway who could argue convincingly against armed intervention when it wasn't warranted?

    Record, who served a tour as a civilian State Department adviser in the Mekong Delta and was later a legislative assistant to Senators Sam Nunn and Lloyd Bentsen, declares at the outset that in his view the main causes of the American defeat in Vietnam were a misinterpretation of both the significance and nature of the struggle; an underestimation of the enemy's tenacity and fighting power; an overestimation of United States political stamina and military effectiveness; and the absence of a politically competitive South Vietnam.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I understand it may be a stretch, but that response was about Vietnam, can you at least try to keep up?

    The one law that was immutable during America's long, bitter and costly involvement in Vietnam was Murphy's: Everything that could go wrong did. There is blame enough to go around, and Jeffrey Record spares no one in this brief but thoughtful examination of all the old arguments and all the old questions.

    Where were civilian political leaders with a vision keen enough to recognize that Indochina made no real claim on America's national security interests? Where were military leaders of the caliber of Omar Bradley and Matthew B. Ridgeway who could argue convincingly against armed intervention when it wasn't warranted?

    Record, who served a tour as a civilian State Department adviser in the Mekong Delta and was later a legislative assistant to Senators Sam Nunn and Lloyd Bentsen, declares at the outset that in his view the main causes of the American defeat in Vietnam were a misinterpretation of both the significance and nature of the struggle; an underestimation of the enemy's tenacity and fighting power; an overestimation of United States political stamina and military effectiveness; and the absence of a politically competitive South Vietnam.
    We can discuss the need for being there, or we can discuss how we won while we were there. Which do you want?

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We can discuss the need for being there, or we can discuss how we won while we were there. Which do you want?
    If you persist in claiming that we won in Vietnam then you probably aren't worth having a conversation with.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    If you persist in claiming that we won in Vietnam then you probably aren't worth having a conversation with.
    Then, obviously you aren't knowledgable enough in history even debate the subject.

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

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    Then, obviously you aren't knowledgable enough in history even debate the subject.
    I got out of the army in 1972, when did you get out?

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I got out of the army in 1972, when did you get out?
    In 2000. I was an 11M, what was your MOS?

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    Re: 31 American Troops Killed In NATO Helicopter Crash In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In 2000. I was an 11M, what was your MOS?
    Combat Engineers. 21B

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