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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because no one is going to spend $30,000+ to hire an employee they don't need, just to save a couple thousand on their taxes.

    Tax credits don't = tax cuts.
    So what you are saying, the issue is that businesses do not need to hire? Please remember the difference between a want and a need.
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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You miss the point entirely, today we have a 3.7 trillion dollar a year Federal Govt. and liberals claim we need to increase revenue to pay for it. I don't agree with that at all. I know we have a spending problem not a revenue problem and also know that if you compromise with liberals on getting tax increases those same liberal politicians will never give you the spending cuts because that is how they keep their jobs, keeping a large group of people dependent.
    Wouldn't it make sense to look at what has worked in the past?

    Why cloud the issue with all this partisan gum flapping?

    The issue for the People is domestic stability, growth and security. Period. The American People, by and large, have no foreign interests.

    Cutting the military back to 2001 or even 2003 levels will still give us the ability to reduce any country on earth to rubble in a week or less... never putting a boot on the ground. Every patriotic American should know this, and know that every other country on the planet knows this.

    The only foreign interests America has... are business interests. Not freedom or democracy (though it's a nice side benefit if it happens) as we have supported or installed over 25 tinpot dictators. Business interests dictate foreign policy for the most part. Therefore, if we find ourselves fighting somewhere, you can bet more often than not there is a profit motive behind it for a very few but influential. Our military is too often used to enforce those business interests.

    These business interests exercise super human influence among Our Public servants. By shear fact that the directors can and do add the voice and resources of those corporations to their own constitutionally protected individual voice, they subvert the constitutionally protected guarantee of equal representation.

    Raising taxes to levels consistent with past successful emergency debt reduction is also common sense. The wealthy were still wealthy, the super wealthy still became more super wealthy.

    Cutting entitlements only by ridding the system of abusers which would result in massive savings and allow those left on entitlements (those that truly need it) to see meaningful streamlining of the programs. Social Security for seniors is NOT an entitlement. Each working adult pay in... it's their freakin money.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Wouldn't it make sense to look at what has worked in the past?

    Why cloud the issue with all this partisan gum flapping?

    The issue for the People is domestic stability, growth and security. Period. The American People, by and large, have no foreign interests.

    Cutting the military back to 2001 or even 2003 levels will still give us the ability to reduce any country on earth to rubble in a week or less... never putting a boot on the ground. Every patriotic American should know this, and know that every other country on the planet knows this.

    The only foreign interests America has... are business interests. Not freedom or democracy (though it's a nice side benefit if it happens) as we have supported or installed over 25 tinpot dictators. Business interests dictate foreign policy for the most part. Therefore, if we find ourselves fighting somewhere, you can bet more often than not there is a profit motive behind it for a very few but influential. Our military is too often used to enforce those business interests.

    These business interests exercise super human influence among Our Public servants. By shear fact that the directors can and do add the voice and resources of those corporations to their own constitutionally protected individual voice, they subvert the constitutionally protected guarantee of equal representation.

    Raising taxes to levels consistent with past successful emergency debt reduction is also common sense. The wealthy were still wealthy, the super wealthy still became more super wealthy.

    Cutting entitlements only by ridding the system of abusers which would result in massive savings and allow those left on entitlements (those that truly need it) to see meaningful streamlining of the programs. Social Security for seniors is NOT an entitlement. Each working adult pay in... it's their freakin money.
    There has never been any debt reduction, only increased spending. We haven't had a balanced budget in decades so until the govt. cuts spending I have no interest in raising taxes on anyone for the American people receiving more take home pay creates less of a need for a 3.7 trillion dollar yearly govt.

    I am waiting for anyone to explain to me how raising taxes puts 25 million unemployed or under employed(16.1% U-6 numbers) back to work full time paying full taxes? For those that want more revenue ignore that 65 million income earners(47% of 140 million income earners) and 25 million unemployed or under employed aren't paying much if any in FIT that funds that 3.7 trillion dollar govt. Those that want to increase taxes on corporations ignore who pays those taxes and also ignores exactly how little that will contribute to alleviating the problem and in fact magnifies it.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    So what you are saying, the issue is that businesses do not need to hire? Please remember the difference between a want and a need.
    Businesses want to have the need to hire. Needing more manpower, means that the volume of business has increased and they want business to increase.

    Until the government gets the hell out of the way and stops trying to fix the economy, that ain't gonna happen.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Wouldn't it make sense to look at what has worked in the past?

    Why cloud the issue with all this partisan gum flapping?

    The issue for the People is domestic stability, growth and security. Period. The American People, by and large, have no foreign interests.

    Cutting the military back to 2001 or even 2003 levels will still give us the ability to reduce any country on earth to rubble in a week or less... never putting a boot on the ground. Every patriotic American should know this, and know that every other country on the planet knows this.

    The only foreign interests America has... are business interests. Not freedom or democracy (though it's a nice side benefit if it happens) as we have supported or installed over 25 tinpot dictators. Business interests dictate foreign policy for the most part. Therefore, if we find ourselves fighting somewhere, you can bet more often than not there is a profit motive behind it for a very few but influential. Our military is too often used to enforce those business interests.

    These business interests exercise super human influence among Our Public servants. By shear fact that the directors can and do add the voice and resources of those corporations to their own constitutionally protected individual voice, they subvert the constitutionally protected guarantee of equal representation.

    Raising taxes to levels consistent with past successful emergency debt reduction is also common sense. The wealthy were still wealthy, the super wealthy still became more super wealthy.

    Cutting entitlements only by ridding the system of abusers which would result in massive savings and allow those left on entitlements (those that truly need it) to see meaningful streamlining of the programs. Social Security for seniors is NOT an entitlement. Each working adult pay in... it's their freakin money.
    Actually, SS and medicare are entitlements. Welfare and foodstamps, aren't.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, SS and medicare are entitlements. Welfare and foodstamps, aren't.
    Ahh... nice distinction... thank you.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Businesses want to have the need to hire. Needing more manpower, means that the volume of business has increased and they want business to increase.

    Until the government gets the hell out of the way and stops trying to fix the economy, that ain't gonna happen.
    We have a 3.7 trillion dollar a year govt. that has expanded beyond comprehension and along the way generated a 14.5 trillion dollar debt. Amazing how many people want that to continue and ignore the results that govt. has generated. Anyone payng attention to what is going on in Britain? The people there are burning down their communities and have what many here want, an entitlement state. Those people have guaranteed healthcare and pensions yet are protesting having to pay for any of it. People in this country want that here?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because no one is going to spend $30,000+ to hire an employee they don't need, just to save a couple thousand on their taxes.

    Tax credits don't = tax cuts.
    So what you are saying, the issue is that businesses do not need to hire? Please remember the difference between a want and a need.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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