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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's kinda funny, since the original tea party was about TEA, and taxation without representation. it was about independence. oh, and monopolies, is that also on the agenda of today's tea partiers? could you show your work please?
    Yep, taxation without representation meaning the growth in the size of govt. which was contrary to the principles upon which this nation was founded. Think our Founders would support a 3.7 trillion dollar govt? The agenda of the TEA Party is to cut the size of Govt. and lower taxes. Why is liberalism built on demonization and class warfare?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    As compared to GE? Please explain 'fair share' to me again.

    Earlier I brought up restoring corporate tax levels to pre-cut eras, and offering incentives right back for those that actually created jobs and it went completely un-noticed. I wonder why that is?
    You mean that GE that has Jeffrey Immelt as head of Obama's Job creation committee. Tell me how put Immelt on that committee? Why do you demonizing corporations and ignore the good that corporations do, hiring taxpaying employees, contributing significant dollars to communities, being a good corporate citizen. Why is liberalism built on demonization of individuals who make money and corporations who hire people? Obama is the first President in history to see our Credit downgraded on his watch and yet all liberals can do is demonize private business that contributes revenue to the govt.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Instead of just eliminating the corporate tax break and offering back the tax incentive isn't compromise? Feels like it to me.

    I think that taxes are a part of life, please do not twist my words to try to score a point.

    Aren't taxes a part of the cost of doing business? I am neither a liberal nor a socialist. I am an American seeking a solution before the entire thing tanks.
    Do you think that 47% of income earners not paying any FIT are paying their fair share? Why demonize others who are paying the most in taxes while ignoring those that pay zero?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You mean that GE that has Jeffrey Immelt as head of Obama's Job creation committee. Tell me how put Immelt on that committee? Why do you demonizing corporations and ignore the good that corporations do, hiring taxpaying employees, contributing significant dollars to communities, being a good corporate citizen. Why is liberalism built on demonization of individuals who make money and corporations who hire people? Obama is the first President in history to see our Credit downgraded on his watch and yet all liberals can do is demonize private business that contributes revenue to the govt.
    Immelts appointment pissed me right off. I am not a liberal, for the 100th time. I am demonizing no one. Good corporate citizens? By sending jobs to China? By paying $0 in taxes?

    Blaming Obama alone for the credit downgrade is just foolish. Both parties are equally responsible and you well know it. Partisan crap like that is sickening and a large part of what is wrong with this country.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you think that 47% of income earners not paying any FIT are paying their fair share? Why demonize others who are paying the most in taxes while ignoring those that pay zero?


    Please. Are you really going to compare people living at or below the poverty line with wealthy corporations? What are they supposed to pay taxes with, forced labor, it's all most of them have.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Immelts appointment pissed me right off. I am not a liberal, for the 100th time. I am demonizing no one. Good corporate citizens? By sending jobs to China? By paying $0 in taxes?

    Blaming Obama alone for the credit downgrade is just foolish. Both parties are equally responsible and you well know it. Partisan crap like that is sickening and a large part of what is wrong with this country.
    I blame Obama for the lack of leadership and all the broken promises. Obama loves being President but doesn't understand the responsibilities of the job. These are the Obama economic results that liberals want to ignore and these have been generated THIS YEAR, over 2 1/2 years after takin goffice.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you think that 47% of income earners not paying any FIT are paying their fair share? Why demonize others who are paying the most in taxes while ignoring those that pay zero?
    What's the reason they pay no FIT? Wasn't it your hero, President Bush, who knocked millions of taxpayers off the tax rolls? Back then conservatives heralded this, now all they can do is bitch about it - like you.


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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Please. Are you really going to compare people living at or below the poverty line with wealthy corporations? What are they supposed to pay taxes with, forced labor, it's all most of them have.
    The poverty line in this country is much higher than the poverty line in other countries and to believe that people cannot afford something in the form of income taxes is ridiculous. That is the point, almost 70 million Americans are paying NOTHING in FIT yet those rich that liberals love to demonize are paying 38% of the taxes. That isn't their fair share according to liberals. You don't see a problem here?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's the reason they pay no FIT? Wasn't it your hero, President Bush, who knocked millions of taxpayers off the tax rolls? Back then conservatives heralded this, now all they can do is bitch about it - like you.
    Again, you miss the point entirely although I doubt that is the case as you simply won't admit it. I don't think we have a revenue problem, you do. I don't care that 47% don't pay any FIT but you are showing the hypocrisy of a liberal. If you want revenue go after those not paying any FIT instead of those who pay 38% and then claim they aren't paying their fair share? And please don't confuse FIT with Corporate taxes which is another liberal strawman and misstatement.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I blame Obama for the lack of leadership and all the broken promises. Obama loves being President but doesn't understand the responsibilities of the job. These are the Obama economic results that liberals want to ignore and these have been generated THIS YEAR, over 2 1/2 years after takin goffice.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
    And pray tell who stepped up with the great promise of leadership? There are no innocents in this.

    I know most Americans are politically ignorant, but history will lay wide open that the credit downgrade was indeed a joint effort, the single bi-partisan thing that was actually completed. As it currently stands there is not one single person on the horizon that would get my vote for president. Not one.

    The economy has been headed to hell for decades and nothing has been done about it. It is finally heading for the only logical conclusion there is, failure.

    I am not pronouncing this American experiment DOA just yet, but life support is in order here. We spend trillions overseas trying to make the rest of the world just like us. Think about that. As an outsider watching recent events, where is any incentive to be just like us? That includes lip service in order to get our cash.

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