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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    As compared to GE? Please explain 'fair share' to me again.

    Earlier I brought up restoring corporate tax levels to pre-cut eras, and offering incentives right back for those that actually created jobs and it went completely un-noticed. I wonder why that is?
    Because it is not addressing what causes business to keep their money off shore to begin with...It is just more class warfare, that is getting very old.

    It's not your money.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    Obviously history isn't a strong suit of yours. You buy the talking points of liberals and ignore the actual policies being promoted by today's Tea Party. There is very little difference between the two. Low taxes and small limited Federal govt.
    So you do support slicing HLS and TPA, 800,000 Americans doing nothing but spying on Americans?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    Because it is not addressing what causes business to keep their money off shore to begin with...It is just more class warfare, that is getting very old.

    It's not your money.

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    Bull****. It addresses the talking point very head on. Many claim that lower taxes create jobs, I haven't seen it. This would make it show and tell. After all, if they did create jobs then there would be $0 tax increase. If the government has to show that they can stop spending prior to increasing revenues then corporations need to show that they are creating jobs before they get the tax breaks.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Bull****. It addresses the talking point very head on. Many claim that lower taxes create jobs, I haven't seen it. This would make it show and tell. After all, if they did create jobs then there would be $0 tax increase. If the government has to show that they can stop spending prior to increasing revenues then corporations need to show that they are creating jobs before they get the tax breaks.

    It is not a quid pro quo situation. The government is restrained by enumerated powers, and restraint that liberals have bastardized through creative interpretation. Government makes no money, creates nothing, it only takes, and spends. I can't see why any businessman worth his salt would agree to bringing money back to these shores knowing full well that the government is going to just take it.

    Again it is NOT governments money.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    So you do support slicing HLS and TPA, 800,000 Americans doing nothing but spying on Americans?
    Yes.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    It is not a quid pro quo situation. The government is restrained by enumerated powers, and restraint that liberals have bastardized through creative interpretation. Government makes no money, creates nothing, it only takes, and spends. I can't see why any businessman worth his salt would agree to bringing money back to these shores knowing full well that the government is going to just take it.

    Again it is NOT governments money.

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    So any solution which goes against your talking points is unacceptable? What happened to compromise?

    Not the governments money, yet taxes are part of life. Avoid paying your property taxes and try telling the government that it's not their house.

    Good luck.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

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    Yes.

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    Damn, we can agree on something.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    As compared to GE? Please explain 'fair share' to me again.

    Earlier I brought up restoring corporate tax levels to pre-cut eras, and offering incentives right back for those that actually created jobs and it went completely un-noticed. I wonder why that is?
    Corporations do not pay taxes that are across the board. Consumers do. What we need are targeted taxes. I've said this many times with no notice. 35% tax on profits if those profits are derived from items that come from off-shore. 25% if they come from items created here.

    Corporations would have a far harder time passing on taxes when the competition has a tax advantage.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    So any solution which goes against your talking points is unacceptable? What happened to compromise?
    Compromise doesn't mean that I have to come completely to your way of thinking does it? I could well ask you the same...Where's your give in this?

    Not the governments money, yet taxes are part of life.
    So you think that what you earn is what the government allows you to keep?

    Avoid paying your property taxes and try telling the government that it's not their house.

    Good luck.
    Never said that taxes aren't reasonable to some extent. However, it is what we volunteer as citizens living in the freest nation on earth. Having a society that works for the government and is 'allowed' to keep a portion of what they earn in exchange for nanny state control, is not what this country is...That would be Socialism.

    In that case there are plenty of countries that would fit your definition just not this one....yet.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Compromise doesn't mean that I have to come completely to your way of thinking does it? I could well ask you the same...Where's your give in this?



    So you think that what you earn is what the government allows you to keep?



    Never said that taxes aren't reasonable to some extent. However, it is what we volunteer as citizens living in the freest nation on earth. Having a society that works for the government and is 'allowed' to keep a portion of what they earn in exchange for nanny state control, is not what this country is...That would be Socialism.

    In that case there are plenty of countries that would fit your definition just not this one....yet.

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    Instead of just eliminating the corporate tax break and offering back the tax incentive isn't compromise? Feels like it to me.

    I think that taxes are a part of life, please do not twist my words to try to score a point.

    Aren't taxes a part of the cost of doing business? I am neither a liberal nor a socialist. I am an American seeking a solution before the entire thing tanks.

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