Well, considering it took 8 years for Bush to TANK this economy
This is pure talking point pap from the left. Remember, using liberals own metrics here, Bush himself inherited a recession, then had to do something after 9/11 that caused a economic blow. With his policies, he was able to preside over a country that had under 5% unemployment for much of his Presidency. Now I am not saying that bush didn't make mistakes with the economy, however to characterize his entire two terms as a steady tanking of this nations economy is not truthful, nor is it something I would expect a supposed "independent" to say.
It will probably take around 16 according to credible experts (economists) predictions.
This is a weak attempt at the "infallible argument" fallacy. Whom are these "credible experts" you cite, expecting to not have anyone question this? Krugman? Kenesyans? The policies of the current administration are a failure. That is clear.
Bush only gets blamed because credit is due to whom deserves it.
For some things you have a valid argument, however all I see so far is broad generalization, and deflection of any responsibility for the current administration, much like an Obama apologist.
You can brush all the blame off to Obama you want but the facts show we are in this economic disaster because bush policies, not Obamas.
I am not saying that it is entirely Obama's fault, you are posing that strawman argument. And note, you chastise me for what you think is unfair, while doing it yourself. Typical Allensky tactic. You need to change your lean, we have enough dishonest posers already. Not saying you are one of them.....Yet.
The wars, rich tax cuts and fraudulant loop holes are the ONLY reason we are in this mess today.
The wars cost pale in comparison to the spending on steroids that demo's have done since '06. Oh, and BTW, You do realize that congress authorizes spending, and demo's are on record supporting these ventures right?
Tax cuts for the rich. Please be specific...What tax cuts are you saying caused this mess? Do you have specifics? Or just liberal pablum that really is dishonest, and means nothing?
Fraudulent loopholes. Again, specify please. The current tax code is replete with loopholes. The current tax code is 71,684 pages long. Why? Why does America need a code that no one understands?
You Republicans want to take away Obamas blank check now, but I didnt see any arguments 8 years ago when GOVERNMENT SPENDING was funding wars with the money we didnt have and the debt ceiling was raised 4+ times.
Childish argument...So what you are saying here is that since previous Presidents were complicit in the debt reaching the level it is today, then it is ok for Obama to do it 4 times greater than any other President in history? That is just plain void of thought what so ever.
o basically your arguement is that government spending is ok when a republican is in office, even if it means completely tanking the economy to fuel our rich investors war machine, but if a democrat wants to use to money to simulate the economy
Wah, wah, wah....Cry me a river....Look, Obama's stimulus was a complete failure....Remember how we were told that it just must get passed so that the unemployment rate wouldn't get above 8%? Well, where is it today? Stimulus didn't do dick!
or provide some free healthcare for the poor
Free? Nothing in this world is free young man. It may be without cost to the recipient, however, someone pays, and that someone is myself, and other tax payers that are tired of the recipient class thinking that they can lay claim to my hard earned money.
You cant go as far as saying "failed Obama policies" when congress refuses to pass any legislation from Obama... even if he gives them EVERYTHING they desire, kind of like the debt ceiling deal.
Now you are just sinking to straight demo party lies. Look, Obama had a deal that Boehner would agree to some revenue, in addition to spending cuts, and Obama blew it up the next day, by demanding more in tax hikes. That is just fact.
he Republican controlled house has one goal in mind, and thats to make Obama fail.
Obama is doing that all on his own.....
They will tank the economy and starve chilidren before they give Obama an inch.
LOL, are you for real? Chicken little would be proud.
Americans knows this, which is why the Republican party holds 80% of the blame for our current AAA downgrade and economic problems.
Bull....This is the Obama downgrade. Just because the liberal shills and hacks are feeding your mind with really dumb talking point crap, and lies, doesn't make one bit of it true.
You are a perfect example of someone who votes based on feelings instead of facts. Your complete denial over bush's failed policies and leadership blinds your eyes from credible facts and a potentially credible vote.
Now we get to personal attack. The last bastion of the liberal with no way to defend their position. I see you keep typing things like "credible facts" yet you have produced nothing but rhetoric, and platitude. Where are your facts? And by "credible vote" you mean to say liberal vote, which is just plain dumb, and bordering on the 'needs help' category.
Im not criticizing you for being a Republican, I myself have voted Republican before, but to say Obama is responsible for our problems is a very irrelevant and feeling based statement.
You voted Republican? I say Bull. That is a lie, and since we are on an anonymous web site, arguing our points on a message board, you can pretty much spew any BS you want and there is no way to hold you to it, but based on your words above that I have expertly picked apart you are already proven to not be of genuine intent in here, so your words mean little. As for the actions of the current administration being irrelevant to the current conditions of today, I would only ask you to read what you wrote and try again with a straight face.
Obama will win by a landslade in '12. There is no potential GOP runner right now that has the slightest chance of beating him, besides Mitt Romney, and he is the ONLY one that has a SMALL CHANCE of beating Obama.
This is delusional...:lamo
Obama did not become president by luck, he is a great public speaker and has a very special ability to connect and inspire voters.
That may have been true in '08, it won't work today....
America sees through this lying piece of crap.
He still holds a 90% support rating from registered democrats. The only way he loses this upcoming election is if his own party support falls.
LOL, Lies, I invite you to keep up with the current day, and put down the news from '08....
Current polls show that democratic support is growing, and all he needs is a small amount of independent voters to swing his way and he wins his re-election with ease.
Wrong, check again...Here is a headline from today.....
Wake up dude....
He has the entire black vote
Lie
Increasingly upset with him
the recipient class will always buy the lies of the demo's promises. When they get some self respect they usually pull themselves out of poverty, and become conservatives.
and the majority of hispanics.
Also, untrue....hispanics are growing tired of being lied to by this clown.
The GOP is doing their best effort to fool hispanic voters into thinking they are the ones looking out for their best interest, which is actually the exact opposite of truth.
Opportunity is what the hispanic community wants, republicans offer that, demo's just give lip service.
They want to enforce strict immigration laws on all hispanics.
I got news for ya, legal immigrants want this too.
Democrats will be going after alot of hispanics on this campaign which will prove to be very useful to them in the long run.
Good luck, Obama has lied to the hispanic community, and through his AG done things that have caused more death in Mexican violence. And possibly violated the law.
The media is just trying to make a story out of this election. They all know Obama will win and so does the GOP.
yeah, Crissy Hissy fit Matthews thought that Wisconson recalls would turn out different also, hmmmmm, how'd that work out for ya....heh, heh....
The GOP is saving all of their real credible candidates for the next election.
And whom are these "credible" candidates in your eyes? My guess is RHINO scum that have some sort of wish to be liberals.
They have publically admitted this.
link.
j-mac
OK... enough of the "Obama is a Marxist or is not a Marxist" crap. That is NOT the topic of the thread. Get back to the topic, of I can issue plenty of thread bans.
