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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    easier than addressing points
    You can't have services without paying for them
    exactly how much of the 5.3 trillion does the party in power propose we make good thru tax hikes?

    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com
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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    okay lets address what you said .. . 40 % is still 60 million working people paying nothing in FIT is that fair ? If so .. how are those 60 million people sharing in the sacrafice ?
    Thank you, amazing how facts confuse liberals and shut down the debate. If it is 30% that is 42 million Americans earning income not paying any FIT. Liberals want to focus on the top 1% or 1.4 million. That speaks volumes

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do liberals promote class warfare? You continue to miss the point and continue to spout the talking points without even thinking. Millions and millions of Americans are working, earning income but pay zero in Federal Income taxes. Are they paying their fair share?
    Gee, you blame liberals for class warfare, then use it yourself.


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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    if a politiican tried, and got something passed, he'd be out of office next election
    Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

    Andrew Cuomo approval sky-high, new poll suggests - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    you think someone's gonna beat cuomo in ny?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about, huge EVENTS are swirling around you

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Gee, you blame liberals for class warfare, then use it yourself.
    Where have I ever promoted class warfare and be specific? What is shared sacrifice from the 47% that earn income but pay zero on FIT? You say we have a revenue problem, I don't because I believe we have a spending problem. If you have a revenue problem there are 47% of income earners paying nothing that should be a source of revenue. Yet people like you want to focus on the 1% or 5% of income earners (140 million income earners X1% or 5% which equals 1.4 million or 7 million) instead of the over 60 million paying zero. That seems to be liberal logic.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Notice that you never address the FACT that those evil rich people are paying 38% of the taxes and 47% of income earners most 50,000 or less pay zero. That the liberal definition of fair share?
    If your single and have a AGI of less than $8500, you pay 10% FIT.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If your single and have a AGI of less than $8500, you pay 10% FIT.
    And get it all back in a refund so your net is zero. Is that what liberals believe is fair share?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    this hour:

    In an attempt to stem its financial hemorrhaging, the U.S. Postal Service is seeking to reduce its workforce by 20 percent, including through layoffs now prohibited by union contracts. USPS also wants to withdraw its employees from the health and retirement plans that cover federal staffers and create its own benefit programs for postal employees.

    This major restructuring of the Postal Service’s relationship with its workforce would need congressional approval and would face fierce opposition from postal unions. But if approved, eliminating contract provisions that prevent layoffs and quitting the federal employee health and retirement programs could have ramifications for workers across the government and throughout the national’s labor movement.

    In a notice to employees informing them of its proposals, with the headline “Financial crisis calls for significant actions,” the Postal Service said “we will be insolvent next month due to significant declines in mail volume and retiree health benefit prefunding costs imposed by Congress.”

    The Postal Service plan is described in two draft documents obtained by The Washington Post. A “Workforce Optimization” paper acknowledges “that asking Congress to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements is an extraordinary request by the Postal Service, and we do not make this request lightly. However, exceptional circumstances require exceptional remedies.

    “The Postal Service is facing dire economic challenges that threaten its very existence. . . . If the Postal Service was a private sector business, it would have filed for bankruptcy and utilized the reorganization process to restructure its labor agreements to reflect the new financial reality.”
    USPS proposes cutting 120,000 jobs, pulling out of health-care plan - The Washington Post

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where have I ever promoted class warfare and be specific? What is shared sacrifice from the 47% that earn income but pay zero on FIT? You say we have a revenue problem, I don't because I believe we have a spending problem. If you have a revenue problem there are 47% of income earners paying nothing that should be a source of revenue. Yet people like you want to focus on the 1% or 5% of income earners (140 million income earners X1% or 5% which equals 1.4 million or 7 million) instead of the over 60 million paying zero. That seems to be liberal logic.
    We do have a revenue problem, before Bush's tax cuts our nation was well on our way of solving the debt problem. Besides, the Federal government should spend money to improve our nation. President Eisenhower did it in the '50's when he built the Interstate Highway system

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And another rightwinger tosses the principle of lowering taxes under the bus in order to win an internet debate

    Rightwingers have no principles; just slogans they discard when their convenience disappears
    Lower taxes on taxpayers. Widen the tax base by including everyone in the tax base. This seems very simple to comprehend. Doesn't it?

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