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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    j, we've been down this road before, the vote was to let Bush decide. That's all it was.



    They did abdicate their responsibility, pure and simple. You know you're in trouble when Bird is the only one standing up for the constitution. They did not vote to go to war, war was not declared after their vote. They left it up to Bush to decide.



    Of course. I write the dems as much as I write the republicans. We should not be happy with either.



    Where possible, I'll vote against them. You can't run a tea party nutter like King in iowa and expect my vote, true. But if there is a valid alternative, I will vote agianst them. I don't expect you to vote for a 9/11 nutter either, but I would think you would act as I do. Party should not be the issue, but what each elected leader does.




    Truth is not making an excuse. And while I dispute your reading, their being cowardly is not excusing them. They should have done their damn job. They didn't. None of them who passed the buck should have kept their seat.
    Joe, when was the last time an actual 'declaration of war' was voted on in congress?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Joe, when was the last time an actual 'declaration of war' was voted on in congress?

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    It doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong no matter how long we've been wrong. And facts are the facts no matter how much some don't like the facts. The vote was not to go war, which would be a declaration of war, but to pass the buck off to the president. That was a wrong and congress should be held accountable for it. But Bush, and Bush alone, made the actual decision to go to war. And he should be held accountable for that.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't matter.

    Of course not!...


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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of course not!...


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    Poor tactic. Read on and address, if you can. Otherwise, this is little more than surrender on your part.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Bush's action, as well as the funding for these wars were voted for by Demo's in Congress. Regardless of your spin of the actual facts.
    Hate to burst your "actual facts" bubble, j-mac, but Democrats in the House voted AGAINST the resolution. Dems in the Senate narrowly voted for it. So, if it had been up to Democrats ONLY, the resolution would NOT have become law. You know, since both houses of Congress have to agree?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hate to burst your "actual facts" bubble, j-mac, but Democrats in the House voted AGAINST the resolution. Dems in the Senate narrowly voted for it. So, if it had been up to Democrats ONLY, the resolution would NOT have become law. You know, since both houses of Congress have to agree?
    The vote in the Senate which was under Democrat control was 77-23 for the resolution. Amazing that we are almost a decade later and people like you still are reliving 2002. Keep diverting from the thread topic and the Obama record.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The vote in the Senate which was under Democrat control was 77-23 for the resolution. Amazing that we are almost a decade later and people like you still are reliving 2002. Keep diverting from the thread topic and the Obama record.
    Democrats in the Senate voted 29 Aye, 21 Nay.

    In the House it was 82 Aye, 126 Nay.

    Unfortunately we're still paying for the war, so it ain't exactly old news.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Democrats in the Senate voted 29 Aye, 21 Nay.

    In the House it was 82 Aye, 126 Nay.

    Unfortunately we're still paying for the war, so it ain't exactly old news.
    Sounds like overwhelming democratic support to me. I guess that means republicans hold no responsibility at all now.

    NOT.


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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds like overwhelming democratic support to me. I guess that means republicans hold no responsibility at all now.

    NOT.

    29 Democrat votes in a Senate controlled by Democrats who could have prevented the vote from happening is overwhelming supprot. Why is that so important now almost 10 years later? More diversion?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    29 Democrat votes in a Senate controlled by Democrats who could have prevented the vote from happening is overwhelming supprot. Why is that so important now almost 10 years later? More diversion?
    Oh I dunna know a few trillion dollars later........

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