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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Incorrect. You can try again if it pleases you....
    Your response made no sense.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Shall we begin to repeal all of the regulations promulgated by the extra-constitutional departments like Education and the extra-constitutional agencies like the EPA? The economy would boom, children would quite possibly begin learning again and the power of the central government would be diminished.
    Yeah that's a great idea. Let's make sure that states can set their own educational standards, like they did in the good old days before Civil Rights. And without that pesky EPA in the way, we will no longer have to endure the evils of clean air and water. Give me a break, man. I mean, really--do conservatives even THINK about this stuff before saying it?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Shall we begin to repeal all of the regulations promulgated by the extra-constitutional departments like Education and the extra-constitutional agencies like the EPA? The economy would boom, children would quite possibly begin learning again and the power of the central government would be diminished.
    Are you suggesting that pollution regulations and air quality regulations be repealed? If so, children would quite possible die in their youth, rivers would burn and the cancer rate would skyrocket.

    Investing in education is investing in the future. Or would you prefer illiterate and uneducated people further dragging the country into the Third World?

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    I can accept this. You do know that at the end of the day though, it will all be business as usual. I will listen to debates and know full what a candidate doesn't like about their opponent, but will still be wondering what their position is.

    The process need an overhaul, getting rid of professional lifetime politicians, using a standard of common sense to mark a potential candidate instead of the groomed slick face we are presented with.


    I don't have a problem with lifetime politicians. In fact, I would prefer the rare good ones remain in public service rather than become lobbyists.

    Part of the problem is indeed groomed candidates.

    At the end of the day, the problem is an armchair electorate that accepts lies and failures as business as usual whether they're hip to them or not...

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Shall we begin to repeal all of the regulations promulgated by the extra-constitutional departments like Education and the extra-constitutional agencies like the EPA? The economy would boom, children would quite possibly begin learning again and the power of the central government would be diminished.
    Sure, that would be a natural consquence of the Supreme Court declaring those departments unconstitutional, which they haven't done and won't do because they are perfectly constitutional.

    Which is a good thing, because the states are pretty miserable when it comes to environmental protection.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Shall we begin to repeal all of the regulations promulgated by the extra-constitutional departments like Education and the extra-constitutional agencies like the EPA? The economy would boom, children would quite possibly begin learning again and the power of the central government would be diminished.
    You are making a heroic assumption that less regulation leads to more consumption. Interest rates and unemployment alone signify there is not a supply problem.

    You are simply mistaken.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The founders were far from perfect. See Slavery
    I would say they were close to perfect. See slavery.

    They reduced the political power of the slave-holding states by counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person. It was brilliant given their inability to free the slaves until much later in our nation's history. They gave us a form of government that had the greatest chance of preserving our individual freedoms and liberties while being strong enough to keep the nation together and safe from external aggression.

    But all nations have two tenancies. The first is the accumulation of power. The second is the accumulation of mediocrity. This nation has arrived at the first stage of tyranny. We have vast numbers of busybody bureaucrats churning out rules and regulations for us all to follow. Today there are 80,000. Here is a quote:

    The size of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) provides a second yardstick of regulatory activity. Unlike the Federal Register, which is a catalog of regulatory changes, the CFR is a compendium of all existing regulations. In 2008, the CFR weighed in at 157,974 pages, having increased by 16,693 pages since the start of the George W. Bush Administration.[7] In 2009, the page count hit a record high of 163,333.
    Red Tape Rising: Regulation in the Obama Era

    Do we really need more than 50 agencies churning out 3-4K new rules each year? Those regulations cost businesses about a trillion dollars in compliance costs. Do you feel a trillion dollars safer? And the government busybodies are not content with making it impossible to buy the flush toilet or the light bulb I prefer. The number of federal crimes continues to grow as well. This is another indication that the soft tyranny will turn hard at some point.

    We need to stop this now. Or our future will have a civil war or a revolution in it.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Excuse me? You know my family? Oh, right, you don't. You also know nothing about me at all.
    I know a great deal about you. Should I choose to know more I could. Your words reveal you.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sure, that would be a natural consquence of the Supreme Court declaring those departments unconstitutional, which they haven't done and won't do because they are perfectly constitutional.

    Which is a good thing, because the states are pretty miserable when it comes to environmental protection.
    There needs to be a balance between getting rid of stuff like the EPA and "responsible regulation". I put that term in brackets because different people candisagree about what is reasonable. That is the conversation that seems to be lacking to most Americans who are truly the great American middle.

    Unfortunately neither party seems to be willing to take the flak from their extreme wings of their respective party and try to come up with solutions that work for most Americans.

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    Re: United States loses its AAA Credit rating from S & P

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And without that pesky EPA in the way, we will no longer have to endure the evils of clean air and water.
    june 16: White House's Daley reaches out to manufacturers - The Washington Post

    why are you blocking construction of my facility to protect a fish, asked one potential donor

    chief of staff daley "threw up his hands in frustration," said he "did not have many good answers," called out "bureaucratic stuff that's hard to defend"

    "sometimes you can't defend the indefensible," he continued

    "the number of rules and regulations that come out of agencies is overwhelming"

    but hey, at least he says the white house is "trying to bring some rationality to it"

    LOL!
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