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Two people who have been to target of a one year undercover investigation for selling, quite openly, raw milk have been arrsted.

Agents raid raw food club, farm

There has been a shift since the first raid in that now the attack and milk dumping is because the store didn't have appropriate business permits. Right. Of course. "You don't have a business license so I'm dumping your milk down the drain."

The two miscreants arrested are being held on bond.
"Palmer was being held at a Ventura County facility on $121,500 bail. Stewart and Bloch were being held at facilities in Los Angeles County on $123,000 and $60,000 bail, respectively."

Well, I guess I just can't think of anything more pressing than arresting people for selling raw milk. And, I'd sure want to set their bond as high as I could. They're a serious public risk for failing to bow down.

For the record, I don't drink milk, raw or otherwise. I will confess, since I think the statute of limitations has expired, that in 1970 I bought raw milk and showed my kids how to make butter and cheese. I know. It terrible.
 
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It really is ridicules. Until recently I was ignorant about the lengths the government goes to to shut down raw milk distributors and sellers, raw milk is second only to drugs in the war against illegal substances.

Some states have made the sale of raw milk legal or largely ignore it's sale while other states aggressively prosecute violators.

I feel it should be perfectly legal to sell and I would only require distinct labeling and different colored containers. Let the consumer decide for themselves.
 
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There is a way to get the government to back off. Tax it.

The health police are getting out of hand. They arrested someone here because they found an ashtray with ashes in their place of work. They threatened to shut down the VFD ice cream social (how they raise most of their money) because they said they didn't have the proper permit.
 
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Raw milk can pose a serious threat to the health of people, and by serious I mean it could killl them.

I am amazed that people don't get the facy that a few rules and regulations are there for the right reasons and do some good.

We I was a kid raw milk was not the threat it has become and everyone had a cow.

The world is a smaller place today and the spread of illness from being spread in a matter of hours is very real, 49 or 50 years back it could take weeks to catch something in California the came fom Africa. Now it's just s plane ride away.

I agree the Government cans be a pain in the ass but this is not one of those times.
 
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Councilman said:
Raw milk can pose a serious threat to the health of people, and by serious I mean it could killl them.

I am amazed that people don't get the facy that a few rules and regulations are there for the right reasons and do some good.

We I was a kid raw milk was not the threat it has become and everyone had a cow.

The world is a smaller place today and the spread of illness from being spread in a matter of hours is very real, 49 or 50 years back it could take weeks to catch something in California the came fom Africa. Now it's just s plane ride away.

I agree the Government cans be a pain in the ass but this is not one of those times.
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Organic foods can kill you too. Should they be banned?
 
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Councilman said:
Raw milk can pose a serious threat to the health of people, and by serious I mean it could killl them.

I am amazed that people don't get the facy that a few rules and regulations are there for the right reasons and do some good.

We I was a kid raw milk was not the threat it has become and everyone had a cow.

The world is a smaller place today and the spread of illness from being spread in a matter of hours is very real, 49 or 50 years back it could take weeks to catch something in California the came fom Africa. Now it's just s plane ride away.

I agree the Government cans be a pain in the ass but this is not one of those times.
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Most everything on the McDonalds menu will kill you. Raw milk can also be very good for you. I say this as person who doesn't like milk in any form, in any way, at any time. But I'd very much like for corpgov to leave us the hell alone.

Cops raid a farm because they distribute raw milk. On the way back from the arrest, cops stop at 7/11 to buy cigarettes. Phillip Morris and other tobacco companies are able to afford one hell of a lobby team to funnel money, legal and otherwise, to members of the House and Senate. That's why cigarettes remain legal. Raw milk farmers can't compete with the Borden's, etc. lobbyist putting money in the pockets of Congress.
 
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Pasteurizing makes milk worthless. Raw milk is the only milk I will drink. I obtain it illegally and will continue to do so. I don't follow laws that are immoral.

Raw milk was made illegal to sell because of a single TB outbreak 60 years ago. Nowadays people will drink milk that is nutritionally dead but filled with hormones like prolactin but will feel scared about drinking raw, organic, untainted milk. Our society is truly backwards.

The only thing the milk pasteurization laws serve now is the big corporations. They don't want independent farmers getting the upper hand. :shrug:
 
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Temporal said:
Pasteurizing makes milk worthless. Raw milk is the only milk I will drink. I obtain it illegally and will continue to do so. I don't follow laws that are immoral.

Raw milk was made illegal to sell because of a single TB outbreak 60 years ago. Nowadays people will drink milk that is nutritionally dead but filled with hormones like prolactin but will feel scared about drinking raw, organic, untainted milk. Our society is truly backwards.

The only thing the milk pasteurization laws serve now is the big corporations. They don't want independent farmers getting the upper hand. :shrug:
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Not true at all. Pasteurizing is only heating the milk to kill bacteria, that's all.
 
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Temporal said:
Pasteurizing makes milk worthless. Raw milk is the only milk I will drink. I obtain it illegally and will continue to do so. I don't follow laws that are immoral.

Raw milk was made illegal to sell because of a single TB outbreak 60 years ago. Nowadays people will drink milk that is nutritionally dead but filled with hormones like prolactin but will feel scared about drinking raw, organic, untainted milk. Our society is truly backwards.

The only thing the milk pasteurization laws serve now is the big corporations. They don't want independent farmers getting the upper hand. :shrug:
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I'm sorry, but that's just an ignorant post. What exactly do people drink milk for? Calcium? If so, pasteurised milk is not "worthless". Some people just want a white liquid to go with their cereal without added harmful bacteria. If so, pasteurised milk is not "worthless".

Are you one of those people who's going to prevent your child from getting vaccines because it will cause them to have Autism?
 
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Councilman said:
Raw milk can pose a serious threat to the health of people, and by serious I mean it could killl them.
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I have no idea how much raw milk I've drank. Truthfully I disliked it. You'd have to drink it down real fast to keep the cream from gathering at the top. It never killed me.

I am amazed that people don't get the facy that a few rules and regulations are there for the right reasons and do some good.
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And if that's what you want, it's available. I'd never argue they should be removed for those who want them.
I was a kid raw milk was not the threat it has become and everyone had a cow.

The world is a smaller place today and the spread of illness from being spread in a matter of hours is very real, 49 or 50 years back it could take weeks to catch something in California the came fom Africa. Now it's just s plane ride away.

I agree the Government cans be a pain in the ass but this is not one of those times.
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People should be able to decide for themselves. Heck we still allow people to spread AIDS but not drink raw milk?
 
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1Perry said:
I have no idea how much raw milk I've drank. Truthfully I disliked it. You'd have to drink it down real fast to keep the cream from gathering at the top. It never killed me.



And if that's what you want, it's available. I'd never argue they should be removed for those who want them.


People should be able to decide for themselves. Heck we still allow people to spread AIDS but not drink raw milk?
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We allow people to drink raw milk. The raid wasn't because they were selling raw milk, the raid was because they were doing it for six years without a license.

Raw milk is a product that needs to be handled very carefully to be safe. You can sell raw milk, you can't sell raw milk that isn't monitored to meet proper safety standards.
 
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Deuce said:
We allow people to drink raw milk. The raid wasn't because they were selling raw milk, the raid was because they were doing it for six years without a license.
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This is California. Hoops galore.

Raw milk is a product that needs to be handled very carefully to be safe. You can sell raw milk, you can't sell raw milk that isn't monitored to meet proper safety standards.
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I've never read of a producer that didn't monitor it.
 
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I understand the need to regulate food safety and so on - these regulations comes from past situations in which numerous people died due to unsafe foodstuffs. completely understandable.

However - I don't quite get the milk thing, It's not really a safety issue - it's just because? I'm imagining that it's an economic deal - circumventing taxes at the store by selling raw. But I've never heard of diseases or horrid issues that are associated with raw milk - are there any at all? . . there's just this suggestion of possible bacterial contamination.

And this part:
Fetzer added that the police and other authorities unplugged their security cameras during the raid.
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Why this? Was it illegal - the seizing and dumping?

There's has to be a darker sub layer to these types of deals - becaues so many more obvious things taht are wrong go unpunished yet there is a continual attack against raw-milk products.

Edit: I found this - good article: http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/blogs/healthy-food/raw-milk-50060810

You know - if the argument is that pasturization kills important nutrients, and people pay top-dollar for raw milk, and raw milk (like any other raw animal product) has the possibility of being contaminated by e-coli (etc), and the milk industry suffers for this along the way and believes to be unjustly ignored and suffering - and they're a heavy hand in legislation. . . then why don't the DAIRY COMPANIES come up wit ha different pasturization process - Louis Pasture developed it, waht, over 100 years ago . . . surely there's another way to kill bacteria in dairy without robbing it of it's goodness.

Maybe - instead of just waging war - these 'suffering' (I don't see how - milk is hella expensive) dairy companies should try to dominate the problem instead of just creating new issues.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I understand the need to regulate food safety and so on - these regulations comes from past situations in which numerous people died due to unsafe foodstuffs. completely understandable.

However - I don't quite get the milk thing, It's not really a safety issue - it's just because? I'm imagining that it's an economic deal - circumventing taxes at the store by selling raw. But I've never heard of diseases or horrid issues that are associated with raw milk - are there any at all?
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Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
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Raw milk is loaded with bacteria, which is not as harmful to an adult that has built up some immunities but it can be deadly to young children.. the pastuerization process super heats it quickly and then chills it quickly to kill that bacteria
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
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Wouldn't the fecal and urine contamination be prevented by proper milking (cleaning and processing) procedures?

Bacteria from the animal's mammary system seems to be the only big concern - so - if pasteurization kills of viable nutrients then maybe they should consider a different process.

Everything is improved on - there are numerous alternatives. Maybe milk processing should be revisted. It seems like everyone's so hung up on not advancing the technology and science of it that they're setting theirselves up for their own trouble.

If there's significant money to be made in raw milk supplies then I'm thoroughly shocked that farmers haven't figured something out, yet.
 
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1Perry said:
This is California. Hoops galore.



I've never read of a producer that didn't monitor it.
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You've never heard of major bacterial outbreaks due to poorly handled food products?
 
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Deuce said:
You've never heard of major bacterial outbreaks due to poorly handled food products?
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Yes, many times from government inspected facilities. Actually, most if not all were from them.
 
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1Perry said:
Yes, many times from government inspected facilities. Actually, most if not all were from them.
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That's because most facilities get inspected. For a good reason.
 
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Councilman said:
Not true at all. Pasteurizing is only heating the milk to kill bacteria, that's all.
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Wrong! Pasteurizing milk cauterizes all essential fatty-acids, proteins, and digestive enzymes which in turn reduces the bioavailability of the natural nutrients found in cows milk.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
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Mass production of raw cow milk is nearly impossible. It is far to cost-heavy to keep cows out of their **** (which is why 99% of all beef is rinsed with a chlorine or ammonia solution).
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
Mass production of raw cow milk is nearly impossible. It is far to cost-heavy to keep cows out of their **** (which is why 99% of all beef is rinsed with a chlorine or ammonia solution).
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I understand that.
I don't care if people drink raw or pasteurized milk, poop included or not.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I understand that.
I don't care if people drink raw or pasteurized milk, poop included or not.
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Small farming operations can (and do) provide clean, safe, tasty raw milk on a consistent basis. Fair Oaks or Oberwies cannot!
 
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