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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I have no idea how much raw milk I've drank. Truthfully I disliked it. You'd have to drink it down real fast to keep the cream from gathering at the top. It never killed me.



    And if that's what you want, it's available. I'd never argue they should be removed for those who want them.


    People should be able to decide for themselves. Heck we still allow people to spread AIDS but not drink raw milk?
    We allow people to drink raw milk. The raid wasn't because they were selling raw milk, the raid was because they were doing it for six years without a license.

    Raw milk is a product that needs to be handled very carefully to be safe. You can sell raw milk, you can't sell raw milk that isn't monitored to meet proper safety standards.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We allow people to drink raw milk. The raid wasn't because they were selling raw milk, the raid was because they were doing it for six years without a license.
    This is California. Hoops galore.

    Raw milk is a product that needs to be handled very carefully to be safe. You can sell raw milk, you can't sell raw milk that isn't monitored to meet proper safety standards.
    I've never read of a producer that didn't monitor it.

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    I understand the need to regulate food safety and so on - these regulations comes from past situations in which numerous people died due to unsafe foodstuffs. completely understandable.

    However - I don't quite get the milk thing, It's not really a safety issue - it's just because? I'm imagining that it's an economic deal - circumventing taxes at the store by selling raw. But I've never heard of diseases or horrid issues that are associated with raw milk - are there any at all? . . there's just this suggestion of possible bacterial contamination.

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    Fetzer added that the police and other authorities unplugged their security cameras during the raid.
    Why this? Was it illegal - the seizing and dumping?

    There's has to be a darker sub layer to these types of deals - becaues so many more obvious things taht are wrong go unpunished yet there is a continual attack against raw-milk products.

    Edit: I found this - good article: http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy...-milk-50060810

    You know - if the argument is that pasturization kills important nutrients, and people pay top-dollar for raw milk, and raw milk (like any other raw animal product) has the possibility of being contaminated by e-coli (etc), and the milk industry suffers for this along the way and believes to be unjustly ignored and suffering - and they're a heavy hand in legislation. . . then why don't the DAIRY COMPANIES come up wit ha different pasturization process - Louis Pasture developed it, waht, over 100 years ago . . . surely there's another way to kill bacteria in dairy without robbing it of it's goodness.

    Maybe - instead of just waging war - these 'suffering' (I don't see how - milk is hella expensive) dairy companies should try to dominate the problem instead of just creating new issues.
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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I understand the need to regulate food safety and so on - these regulations comes from past situations in which numerous people died due to unsafe foodstuffs. completely understandable.

    However - I don't quite get the milk thing, It's not really a safety issue - it's just because? I'm imagining that it's an economic deal - circumventing taxes at the store by selling raw. But I've never heard of diseases or horrid issues that are associated with raw milk - are there any at all?
    Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

    Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

    Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
    Raw milk is loaded with bacteria, which is not as harmful to an adult that has built up some immunities but it can be deadly to young children.. the pastuerization process super heats it quickly and then chills it quickly to kill that bacteria

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Cow utters need to be cleaned and cow **** and piss can get into the milk, the pasteurization process makes sure that if any of that does occur, that any contaminants are killed off.

    Also, if the animal is sick it can be passed through the milk too.
    Wouldn't the fecal and urine contamination be prevented by proper milking (cleaning and processing) procedures?

    Bacteria from the animal's mammary system seems to be the only big concern - so - if pasteurization kills of viable nutrients then maybe they should consider a different process.

    Everything is improved on - there are numerous alternatives. Maybe milk processing should be revisted. It seems like everyone's so hung up on not advancing the technology and science of it that they're setting theirselves up for their own trouble.

    If there's significant money to be made in raw milk supplies then I'm thoroughly shocked that farmers haven't figured something out, yet.
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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is California. Hoops galore.



    I've never read of a producer that didn't monitor it.
    You've never heard of major bacterial outbreaks due to poorly handled food products?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You've never heard of major bacterial outbreaks due to poorly handled food products?
    Yes, many times from government inspected facilities. Actually, most if not all were from them.

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, many times from government inspected facilities. Actually, most if not all were from them.
    That's because most facilities get inspected. For a good reason.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Raw Milk Arrests

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Not true at all. Pasteurizing is only heating the milk to kill bacteria, that's all.
    Wrong! Pasteurizing milk cauterizes all essential fatty-acids, proteins, and digestive enzymes which in turn reduces the bioavailability of the natural nutrients found in cows milk.
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