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And it's a valid point -- it's the nature of politics.

Isn't Obama argueing that we need to change that? No, I have the same kind of concerns over the USSC also but I absolutely refused to vote for McCain because of his unexcusable attack of our Constitutional rights.

Not that my mind wasn't already made up but his voting for TARP would have otherwise put the nail into it. There is no way the left would have supported bailing out Wall Street and overlooked the huge bonuses that were created out of it if not for Obama being for it.

That was the Tea Party. They get slammed for taking positions the left would have taken if not for the letter after the current president.
 
Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Start there.

j-mac
And end with none of those were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.
 
And end with none of those were ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Yes, and whom was sitting on that court when these abominations appeared before them? Far more liberal justices than sit there now, that is for sure.....


j-mac
 
Yes, and whom was sitting on that court when these abominations appeared before them? Far more liberal justices than sit there now, that is for sure.....


j-mac
There is no statute of limitations on the constitutionality of laws. If those laws are unconstitutional, they could have been rendered as such at any time since then. They haven't been and toi this day they remain constitutional. I understand you don't like those laws ... I understand you don't think they're constitutional ... I understand what you believe and what's real don't mesh in these cases.
 
I think it's cute how the person who only votes for the candidate with an "R" after their name seems to think he knows what the founders of this great nation envisioned for the supreme court they established. :roll:

You think they wanted a supreme court which leaned to the right?




As I've shown you many times, in many ways, Republicans have generated these kinds of results and even worse. Your solution was to give them four more years.

Do you pay any attention to what you post or remember what you posted in the past? Thought you conceded the point that I voted for a lot of Democrats so that defeats your point now/

You showed nothing because you ignored the conditions that those Republicans inherited. I am waiting for the economic policy that Obama has implemented that will generate positive job creation and strong economic growth. You see delegation if responsibility is what liberals do. Obama is never to blame for anything and you buy that rhetoric.
 
Do you pay any attention to what you post or remember what you posted in the past? Thought you conceded the point that I voted for a lot of Democrats so that defeats your point now/
a) I remember exactly what I posted.

b) The point I conceded was that you voted for more Democrats than I have for Repubublicans. I didn't concede that you don't vote party line now*

c) * = over the last 30+ years.

Since Reagan, you vote whomever puts an "R" after their name ... regardless of their results. Good, bad, doesn't matter to you. All you care about is which political party they're running as.
 
a) I remember exactly what I posted.

b) The point I conceded was that you voted for more Democrats than I have for Repubublicans. I didn't concede that you don't vote party line now*

c) * = over the last 30+ years.

Since Reagan, you vote whomever puts an "R" after their name ... regardless of their results. Good, bad, doesn't matter to you. All you care about is which political party they're running as.

Thus your statement that I only vote for a candidate with a "R" after their name is false. I voted for candidates with a "R" after their name because I couldn't vote for any liberal, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, or Obama. What would you have expected a conservative to do?
 
Thus your statement that I only vote for a candidate with a "R" after their name is false.
No, it is not false for the last 30+ years. How about before Reagan, did you ever vote for Republicans? Or did you vote strictly Democrat back then? You're a party liner. You don't care who runs, you don't care what results they achieve, all you care about it that they are running for your political party.

What would you have expected a conservative to do?
Exactly what you do. I don't expect Conservatives to think.
 
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No, it is not false for the last 30+ years. How about before Reagan, did you ever vote for Republicans? Or did you vote strictly Democrat back then? You're a party liner. You don't care who runs, you don't care what results they achieve, all you care about it that they are running for your political party.


Exactly what you do. I don't expect Conservatives to think.

I am a conservative so please tell me who a Conservative would have voted for in the last 30 years. Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama? The charges you levy at me could be used to describe you as you classify yourself as a liberal. I would expect you to vote for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama thus the results that you ignore

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
I am a conservative so please tell me who a Conservative would have voted for in the last 30 years. Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama? The charges you levy at me could be used to describe you as you classify yourself as a liberal. I would expect you to vote for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama thus the results that you ignore

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 month where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
 
In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 month where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

Obama was handed an AAA credit rating as well plus an economy with a NET JOB GAIN. Fewer people are employed today than when he took office which goes against your population growth argument. Interesting how you judge Bush based upon 2008 but not Obama 2 1/2 years after he took office.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
 
Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 month where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
 
I am a conservative so please tell me who a Conservative would have voted for in the last 30 years. Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama?
All you're doing is confirming what I said ... all you care about is that a candidate put an "R" after their name.

The charges you levy at me could be used to describe you as you classify yourself as a liberal. I would expect you to vote for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama thus the results that you ignore
Well your expectations fall short. I didn't vote Mondale and I didn't vote for Dukakis. I didn't vote for Clinton because he was a Democrat but because I agreed with his positions. I didn't vote for Gore because he was a Democrat but because the sense I got from George Bush was that he was a drunken loser who had everything he ever got handed to him. The vote for Kerry was because my sense of Geroge Bush four years earlier proved to be dead on. Obama was the first person I ever voted for strictly because he's Liberal and even that was limited to keeping the Supreme court fair and balanced (unlike Fox News). And by the way, Obama wasn't even my first choice or even my second choice. My first choice was Hillary Clinton. When she lost, my second choice was John McCain -- until he declared that he would pick Supreme Court justices in the mold of Roberts and Alito. Up until then, I thought he was more moderate than that.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!
Why don't you just make that your tagline so you don't have to copy & paste it all the time?
 
All you're doing is confirming what I said ... all you care about is that a candidate put an "R" after their name.


Well your expectations fall short. I didn't vote Mondale and I didn't vote for Dukakis. I didn't vote for Clinton because he was a Democrat but because I agreed with his positions. I didn't vote for Gore because he was a Democrat but because the sense I got from George Bush was that he was a drunken loser who had everything he ever got handed to him. The vote for Kerry was because my sense of Geroge Bush four years earlier proved to be dead on. Obama was the first person I ever voted for strictly because he's Liberal and even that was limited to keeping the Supreme court fair and balanced (unlike Fox News). And by the way, Obama wasn't even my first choice or even my second choice. My first choice was Hillary Clinton. When she lost, my second choice was John McCain -- until he declared that he would pick Supreme Court justices in the mold of Roberts and Alito. Up until then, I thought he was more moderate than that.


Why don't you just make that your tagline so you don't have to copy & paste it all the time?

You are the one that claimed I only voted for an individual because he had a "R" after his name which of course is false, I voted for the individual who was more conservative of the two candidates on the ballot that had a chance to win. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that concept. The candidate that happened to fit that bill happened to have a "R" after their name. In other races i.e Evan Bayh for example he was more conservative than the Republican running against him.

As for the tagline, no need to do that because that tag line doesn't represent a response to all threads.
 
All you're doing is confirming what I said ... all you care about is that a candidate put an "R" after their name.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, right?
 
Obama was handed an AAA credit rating as well plus an economy with a NET JOB GAIN.
Net job gain? There was a NET LOSS of 4 million jobs in 2008. 8 million jobs lost during Bush's Great Depression. 12 million becoming underemployed during Bush's Great Depression.

Add to that a $1.2T deficit and a $10.6T debt and a Republican party of "no" Congress who refuses to deal with Obama and a downgrade was inevitable.

Fewer people are employed today than when he took office which goes against your population growth argument. Interesting how you judge Bush based upon 2008 but not Obama 2 1/2 years after he took office.
So? Obama lost 2.3 million jobs to date. At this same point in Bush's presidency, he lost 3.2 million jobs. At this same point in Reagan's presidency, he lost 3.1 million jobs, and that was with a workforce 1/3rd smaller than today; by today's workforce, that's like 4½ million.

Yet you still voted for each of them to serve 4 more years. :roll: I have no doubt that if Obama were a Republican, you would be voting for him next year because results don't matter to you. All that matters to you is that the candidate put an "R" after their name.
 
You are the one that claimed I only voted for an individual because he had a "R" after his name which of course is false, I voted for the individual who was more conservative of the two candidates on the ballot that had a chance to win. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that concept. The candidate that happened to fit that bill happened to have a "R" after their name. In other races i.e Evan Bayh for example he was more conservative than the Republican running against him.

As for the tagline, no need to do that because that tag line doesn't represent a response to all threads.

In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 straight months where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
 
In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 straight months where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009

Sure glad we had a Democrat Congress in 2008 that saved us from Bush. Wonder what that Congress was doing? Looks like me it was positioning itself to regain the WH. then they regained the WH and generated the following results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

You must be so proud
 
Net job gain? There was a NET LOSS of 4 million jobs in 2008. 8 million jobs lost during Bush's Great Depression. 12 million becoming underemployed during Bush's Great Depression.

Add to that a $1.2T deficit and a $10.6T debt and a Republican party of "no" Congress who refuses to deal with Obama and a downgrade was inevitable.


So? Obama lost 2.3 million jobs to date. At this same point in Bush's presidency, he lost 3.2 million jobs. At this same point in Reagan's presidency, he lost 3.1 million jobs, and that was with a workforce 1/3rd smaller than today; by today's workforce, that's like 4½ million.

Yet you still voted for each of them to serve 4 more years. :roll: I have no doubt that if Obama were a Republican, you would be voting for him next year because results don't matter to you. All that matters to you is that the candidate put an "R" after their name.

Looks like the Obama solution to reducing unemployment is to get people to drop out of the labor force. Fewer people working today than when he took office as well. Not only has he higher unemployment than when he took office but also fewer jobs in the marketplace. Just think what the unemployment rate would be if a few more million dropped out of the labor force?

Employment numbers January 2001 to January 2011

2001 137778
2002 135701
2003 137417
2004 138472
2005 140245
2006 143142
2007 146032
2008 146421
2009 142221
2010 138333
2011 139323

Looks to me like a net job gain for Bush 137.7 to 142.2 whereas Obama has a net job loss of 142.2 to 139.3. Correct me where I am wrong?
 
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In 2008 Bush handed Obama the worse job loss (2,590,000) since 1945 which was 2,750,000. Even worse than Reagan's job loss in 1982 of 2,130,00. Nov. and Dec. of 2008 were 2 month where the economy lost over 500,000 jobs.

Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
The unemployment numbers must have been revised after that article was published because if you look at household survey unemployment and factor in discouraged folks, November and December of 2008 lost 1.3 million jobs.

Here are the staggering numbers during Bush's Great Recession (which no president since FDR inherited numbers these bad)...

2007-Dec .... -417,000
2008-Dec ...... -93,000
2008-Feb ... +283,000
2008-Mar .... -345,000
2008-Apr .... +164,000
2008-May .... -780,000
2008-Jun ..... -212,000
2008-Jul ...... -404,000
2008-Aug .... -456,000
2008-Sep .... -154,000
2008-Oct ..... -636,000
2008-Nov .... -500,000
2008-Dec .... -826,000
2009-Jan .... -732,000
2009-Feb .... -750,000
2009-Mar .... -495,000
2009-Apr .... -511,000
2009-May ... -830,000
2009-Jun .... -265,000

From October, 2008 through February, 2009 alone, we lost 3½ million jobs. In the end, 8 milion jobs lost thanks to Bush's Great Recession.


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 
The unemployment numbers must have been revised after that article was published because if you look at household survey unemployment and factor in discouraged folks, November and December of 2008 lost 1.3 million jobs.

Here are the staggering numbers during Bush's Great Recession (which no president since FDR inherited numbers these bad)...

2007-Dec .... -417,000
2008-Dec ...... -93,000
2008-Feb ... +283,000
2008-Mar .... -345,000
2008-Apr .... +164,000
2008-May .... -780,000
2008-Jun ..... -212,000
2008-Jul ...... -404,000
2008-Aug .... -456,000
2008-Sep .... -154,000
2008-Oct ..... -636,000
2008-Nov .... -500,000
2008-Dec .... -826,000
2009-Jan .... -732,000
2009-Feb .... -750,000
2009-Mar .... -495,000
2009-Apr .... -511,000
2009-May ... -830,000
2009-Jun .... -265,000

From October, 2008 through February, 2009 alone, we lost 3½ million jobs. In the end, 8 milion jobs lost thanks to Bush's Great Recession.


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


Wow, and with a Democrat Congress in 2008, now how can that be? Bush did all that damage all by himself? That seems to be your story with Bush but then with Obama it is the Congresses fault except that Obama had a Democrat Congress and still generated these results

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch!

As stated which of course you ignored, just think of what the unemployment rate would be or the actual numbers if a few more million dropped out of the labor force and thus were no longer counted? Now I guess we know what the Obama economic policy is. By the way seems to me that Obama inherited a AAA Credit rating and saw it downgraded 2 1/2 years after taking office. Name for me another President who saw the country's credit rating downgraded?
 
may 20:

Nearly two years after the economic recovery officially began, job creation continues to stagger at the slowest post-recession rate since the Great Depression.

The nation has 5% fewer jobs today — a loss of 7 million — than it did when the recession began in December 2007. That is by far the worst performance of job generation following any of the dozen recessions since the 1930s.

In the past, the economy recovered lost jobs 13 months on average after a recession. If this were a typical recovery, nearly 10 million more people would be working today than when the recession officially ended in June 2009.

Job creation limps along after recession - USATODAY.com

stimulus, anyone?

qe?
 
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