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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There you go again, a lot of misinformation in your posts. Do some research for a change. Civil rights was passed by Republicans, not Democrats. Those so called liberal success stories contributed greatly to the 14.5 trillion dollar debt today that your parents are paying for.

    By the way, thought Lincoln ended slavery with the civil war and Lincoln was a Republican. Aw, that liberal education system today
    Oh Lord, again with the dishonesty. We weren't talking about Democratic and Republican successes -- we were talkinga about liberal versus conservative successes. Conservatives, vocally represented by Barry Goldwater, aggressively opposed the Civil Rights Act. Republicans were not always such knee-jerk conservatives.

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well don't say it as if Democrats never filibuster ****
    Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.
    Its embarassing that anyone does it - I'd prefer they do away with it completely.
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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Its embarassing that anyone does it - I'd prefer they do away with it completely.
    It served a function, historically. It prevented a minority party from getting running over when it's most cherished priorities were threatened. But it's completely unworkable if the minority insists on filibustering absolutely everything in lieu of negotiating to get some of what they want. I think what they should do is limit the minority party to maybe five or 10 filibusters per calendar year, which is about how often they were used before the Civil Rights Act (when their use jumped about 10 fold).

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Oh sure, Dems used the filibuster too -- at about HALF the rate that Republicans are using it. Republican filibustered more bills last year than were filibustered by both parties in the 1950s and 1960s COMBINED.
    I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...
    There shouldn't be any distinction between Democrat/Republican. The limit should apply to whichever party is in the minority. I think the 50s and 60s is a good baseline because that was a time before the filibuster started to be abused. You could instead use the 70-90s and pick a limit in the 20-40 range, which was about average before the republicans started filibustering well over 100 bills every year.

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There shouldn't be any distinction between Democrat/Republican. The limit should apply to whichever party is in the minority. I think the 50s and 60s is a good baseline because that was a time before the filibuster started to be abused. You could instead use the 70-90s and pick a limit in the 20-40 range, which was about average before the republicans started filibustering well over 100 bills every year.
    OK so what is acceptable to you as a ratio of filibuster minority : majority ? Exactly how many filibusters happened between January 1, 1950 and December 31, 1969 ? Could you also provide a ratio of both Dem/Rep and minority/majority so as to be able to correctly assess your baseline?
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    OK so what is acceptable to you as a ratio of filibuster minority : majority ? Exactly how many filibusters happened between January 1, 1950 and December 31, 1969 ? Could you also provide a ratio of both Dem/Rep and minority/majority so as to be able to correctly assess your baseline?
    I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. The majority party doesn't filibuster.

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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It served a function, historically. It prevented a minority party from getting running over when it's most cherished priorities were threatened. But it's completely unworkable if the minority insists on filibustering absolutely everything in lieu of negotiating to get some of what they want. I think what they should do is limit the minority party to maybe five or 10 filibusters per calendar year, which is about how often they were used before the Civil Rights Act (when their use jumped about 10 fold).
    Well - in my view that's what voting is for, to determined if things pass or not.

    I don't support stall tactics - I think it's immature. I also don't support bribery and festooned christmas trees as bills, either.

    I guess I don't approve of much that's a staple of congressional action.
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    Re: Worst day since 2008 financial crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I would like to know exactly what ratio is acceptable for filibusters Republican : Democrat and please state why the 1950's and 1960's filibuster COMBINED sum is to be considered for a baseline ...
    Baseline???
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