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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Nobody gave a penny to Romney, read the article again.
    Then why did you argue that it is OK for a "person" (your word) to give however much they wanted to a politician?
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You can't even get your own arguements straight.

    It doesn't make a bit of difference if it was given to him directly to support his campaign or whether it was given to someone else to spend on behalf of his campaign.
    The use of straw donors is a crime
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Public money can only come from private sources. No, it's absolutely wrong to state that we should give politicians billions of dollars to lie to us and not have any recourse to call them on it.

    That would not stop what you are complaining about. I asked above and I'll ask again, if Romney would spend 60 bazillion dollars would it ever change your mind to vote for him?

    Now, if he simply said that he agreed with everything you believed in and would vote accordingly if you voted for him, would you then consider it?
    If somebody else had that much money to spend on a run for office, don't think that person, whoever they are, would probably be better than Obama or Romney if not just as good for the job? You can't pretend that money has nothing to do with it... money is power, it's advertising, it's bus tours, it's setting up campaign offices and recruiting volunteers, etc.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    If somebody else had that much money to spend on a run for office, don't think that person, whoever they are, would probably be better than Obama or Romney if not just as good for the job?
    I would never vote for either one. My arguement isn't based upon how good of a candidate Romney is. My arguement would apply to anyone running for office.

    You can't pretend that money has nothing to do with it... money is power, it's advertising, it's bus tours, it's setting up campaign offices and recruiting volunteers, etc.
    If Romney had 12 bazillion dollars to spend, would he ever change your mind about him?

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    His largest single donation was $2,300 -- the individual donation limit. He did not accept donations from Corporations or PACs. If individuals who worked for Golmand chose to support him, what was he supposed to do? Say no thanks? I don't like the company you work for?
    According to Federal Election Commission figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, Goldman Sachs' political action committee and individual contributors who listed the company as their employer donated $994,795 during 2007 and 2008 to Obama's presidential campaign, the second-highest contribution from a company PAC and company employees.

    You do realize how easy it is to look this stuff up don't you?

    Goldman Sachs was top Obama donor - CNN

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    There is pretty good evidence that political advertizing is effective, and advertizing takes money. Get out the vote efforts are also effective, and expensive. Money matters. It's the main reason incumbents are so hard to beat.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think people just want to know who are paying their leaders, which is a reasonable inquiry... Nobody is trying to stop campaign contributions or tell people what to do with their money, you're just trying to distort the **** out of this conversation.
    NOBODY was paying any candidate anything here.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    BS it is a fair question. And if you're not going to argue his point, then you shouldn't have a problem with understanding other people's concern about things like this happening.
    Singling out one entity is not a fair question. I'm not going to pick on one. If you want to discuss all in general, as I said, it's a fair point. Nobody seemed to want to do that.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    According to Federal Election Commission figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, Goldman Sachs' political action committee and individual contributors who listed the company as their employer donated $994,795 during 2007 and 2008 to Obama's presidential campaign, the second-highest contribution from a company PAC and company employees.

    You do realize how easy it is to look this stuff up don't you?

    Goldman Sachs was top Obama donor - CNN
    Again, Obama did not accept contributions from Pacs or Corporations (which would be illegal anyway). When they say that Goldman was the top contributor they are adding up all of the individual contributions made by employees of Goldman and family members of employees of Goldman.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, Obama did not accept contributions from Pacs or Corporations (which would be illegal anyway). When they say that Goldman was the top contributor they are adding up all of the individual contributions made by employees of Goldman and family members of employees of Goldman.
    If you refuse to read what the link says, well we are wasting our time.

    Goldman Sachs' political action committee and individual contributors.

    You do understand this sentence right? The money came from individuals AND Goldman Sachs political action committee. As noted, this comes from the FEC. That sort of trumps your claims.

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