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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So what?



    Here you go again. Pure subjecture on your part, nothing else. Was moveon.com nothing more than a front for the Obama campaign? (not that any of my other questions get answered)
    There is nothing subjective about it. It is a stone-cold fact. If you choose not to acknowledge reality there really isn't much to talk about.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What?

    The following is the opening paragraph taken directly from the linked article in the OP:
    Sorry, I wasn't clear enough I guess. It was not a part of the Romney campaign.

    Unless you failed reading comprehension, how in the world can you or anyone else claim the funds did not go directly to Mitt Romney's presidential campaign? What was it? A personal loan?
    He recieved nothing!! Well, nothing outside of kind words of support. His campaign did not get a penny from them. Nothing nada, or at least nothing that was exposed in the article.

    The "2012 Presidential campaign" is a general term. It doesn't mean they gave the money to Romney.
    If Moveon.org received a rather generous campaign contribution from George Soros but Moveon.org failed to disclose who they got the donation from because Mr. Soros purposely remained a myster contributor, yes, I'd be rather upset about that.
    It would still be none of your business.

    Seeing that your hypethetical is worse than the plausable outcome I've outlined, I'd say Mitt Romney may have some 'xplainin' to do whereas Moveon.org or George Soros don't. But if and when such happens, I would hope folks would come clean about where the donations came from. I don't think that's asking too much.

    Now, stop trying to deflect.
    Romney is under absolutely no obligation to explain the actions of those outside of his campaign.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is nothing subjective about it. It is a stone-cold fact. If you choose not to acknowledge reality there really isn't much to talk about.
    I guess not. Throw him in prison your honor be damned with providing any facts.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    This whole fake outrage over some company that funneled money is nothing new... it happens every election and not just with non-profit organizations either.

    Obama Looks to 'Bundlers' for 2012 Re-Election Campaign - FoxNews.com

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    Just remembered Norman Hsu... remember him?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118920845515221199.html
    Last edited by Ockham; 08-04-11 at 07:19 PM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sorry, as horrible as it is, it is legal per the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United.
    You're right. It is legal. That's what makes this entire ordeal shameful. It shouldn't be allowed! Corporations should not be allowed to make such large contributions to political candidates directly or indirectly without disclosing who they are (i.e., the name of the corporation, its Board of Directors or corporate ownership). Why? Because it means that the power to influence elections is no longer in the hands of the people who cast their votes at the ballot box. Instead, the power is usurpted by the powerful PACs w/backing from corporations who in one check can put more money behind a candidate of their choosing than any 1,000 citizens can ever hope to achieve.

    If the power to shape government truly belongs to the people, then the actions by W Spann, LLC and Restore Our Future illustrates just how we, the people, are losing that power more and more to the corporate interests.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're right. It is legal. That's what makes this entire ordeal shameful. It shouldn't be allowed! Corporations should not be allowed to make such large contributions to political candidates directly or indirectly without disclosing who they are (i.e., the name of the corporation, its Board of Directors or corporate ownership). Why? Because it means that the power to influence elections is no longer in the hands of the people who cast their votes at the ballot box. Instead, the power is usurpted by the powerful PACs w/backing from corporations who in one check can put more money behind a candidate of their choosing than any 1,000 citizens can ever hope to achieve.

    If the power to shape government truly belongs to the people, then the actions by W Spann, LLC and Restore Our Future illustrates just how we, the people, are losing that power more and more to the corporate interests.
    Agree 100%. I think the lobbying dollar must be the best investment in the world. Corporations can spread a paltry $10 or $15 million around Washington and land multi-billion-dollar contracts because of it.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This whole fake outrage over some company that funneled money is nothing new... it happens every election and not just with non-profit organizations either.

    Obama Looks to 'Bundlers' for 2012 Re-Election Campaign - FoxNews.com
    But atleast the names of President Obama's campaign donors are public! Per the article, we know exactly who made the contributions and from which company their represent, if any (i.e., some of the donors are "former" employees of major corporations, not CEOs or the like).

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But atleast the names of President Obama's campaign donors are public! Per the article, we know exactly who made the contributions and from which company their represent, if any (i.e., some of the donors are "former" employees of major corporations, not CEOs or the like).
    If it's done properly and within the law yes. However that's not always the case... and Mr. Hsu was one of the guys that got careless.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Firm gives $1 million to pro-Romney group, then dissolves(edited)

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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: Firm gives $1 million to pro-Romney group, then dissolves(edited)

    Obama accepted ONLY small donations -- no corporate donations. That's as transparent as you can get under the system we had in '08. Of course all bets are off, now. Unlimited anonymous contributions here we come!

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