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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S!!! Not corporations or PACS!!!
    They are nothing more than a group of citizens aligned with similiar beliefs.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

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    Are you going to ignore this question, 1Perry?
    You'll note I address it. Sorry, for stepping away for awhile.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I said campaigns. Not elections.

    But, if you meant, "campaigns", then...oh hell no! Not with my money they ain't. **** that! If they want to run for office, they can come up with the jack on their own.
    Elections are publically funded. The costs of the machines, the rent for the polling places, etc are funded with tax dollars.
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They are nothing more than a group of citizens aligned with similiar beliefs.
    I strongly disagree here. Many people can work for a corporation for a paycheck while despising its politics or policies. We sometimes just do what we have to do.

    When I worked for J-M they had a PAC, and all but told us how much to "donate" and how to vote "for the good of the company and to keep our jobs". Corporations are very different from, say, a grassroots group of like minded people voicing support for a person or an ideal.

    Unions are compromised of different people with differing opinions. Yet, once their money is in a PAC their individual voice may be ignored by the PAC in favor of a differing one.

    The attempt to humanize corporations, PAC's and Unions to the point of having constitutional rights is ill advised and leads to a very dangerous place and I will have no part in it.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You didn't answer the question. Would it bother you if the judge hearing your case had recently received a $1 million donation from the guy suing you?
    No because there are laws and regulations in place to address this. If I feel he erred in judgement there is an appeal process. A campaign donation really is no different than a political appointment. I may be suing for something that is political in nature and I know that the sitting judge was appointed by someone against my arguement, I have to trust he will rule based upon the law.

    Again though, your arguement seems to be skewed to the idea what I like that people can give this kind of money. That's not the case. I simply dislike more the government deciding who can participate and who can't.

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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is it a partisan issue?

    We constantly hear the Libbos crying about the supreme court decision that allows corporations to donate to political campaigns, but we never hear them cry about how that same decision also allows unions to do the same. That's the real partisan issue, because we all know that unions are going to funnel millions to Democrats, long before Republicans; not to mention the public employees unions, who are now able to launder billions of tax dollars and turn them into campaign donations But, not a word about that from the Libbos.
    Again, the liberals here all seem to agree to legislation that covers all campaign contributions from organizations, including unions

    However, the rightwingers are only focusing on groups that contribute to dems, and ignoring the groups that contribute to repubs. The only partisanship here is coming from the rightwing
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's their money, not mine.
    Who's money?

    No one knows. Are you OK with a union funded corp giving money to dems? How about corps funded by foriegners?
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    And another example of the rightwingers only objecting when the dems receive this money. And they think they're demonstrating the hypocrisy of the lefties
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I imagine people face off all the time in courts where one has contributed to the judges campaign. I believe that the vast majority will do the correct thing and in the rare case they don't, we have an appeal process.

    You act like I like that millions upon millions go into campaigns. I do not. I don't like many things our rights allow us to do, but as I said, it's better than the alternative.
    Our rights are not unlimited, and you haven't shown any evidence of even opinion of what the alternatives are. The liberals and other lefties have proposed numerous suggestions and all you have done in response in point to the dems and complain about "Our rights! Our rights!"
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    Re: Super PAC's try end around

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I see where you use this line of reasoning further on so I'll only address it here. A union, corporation, or any group of people is only that. A group of people aligned with similiar beliefs.
    Corps can be owned by a single person. Without disclosure, there is no way you can know what you claim to know
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