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‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

Misterveritis said:
Yes. But you said a senseless war. That war made sense to me.
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Then explain how you justify the US going to war against a country that was of no threat to us?
 
Misterveritis said:
And yet the Chinese are modernizing their forces with the specific intention of hegemony over the Pacific rim countries. And when the time comes they will win.
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If they can supposedly do all that on only $118 billion a year, why can't we?
 
Misterveritis said:
I continue to stand in awe of your brilliance. You just might be the smartest person on the planet. Or maybe not.
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Only by comparison to fools who thought Iraq was a threat to the US.
 
Catawba said:
What part of the fact that production hasn't been greater than our consumption for the last 40 years, did you not understand.
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Are you asking me for an idiot lesson? I think you are.
Catawba said:
I support safe nuclear power. Of course I wish we had a liberal president, but Obama will have to do until one comes along.
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Liberal. Marxist. Other than breaking the nation by taking power and oil offline how is the sidelines president even relevant to a discussion of nuclear power?

Catawba said:
You would be happy if we used all the world's oil? Did I understand you correctly?
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Yes. Or any lesser included amount.
 
cpwill said:
the amazing thing is, these people were furious with Rumsfeld's comment about going to war with the military you have when the issue was armor, and why the troops went into Iraq without enough. it's like they really can't draw the connection between spending cuts in the 90's, and not having enough armor in the early 2000's.
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Without needless wars, we had plenty of armor. :sun
 
Its upsetting to me that Americans talk to each other with such disrespect. Having respect for on another is just as important as having the facts. Without respect and cooperation we can't act together on those facts and fix our problems. Our political system is based on compromise and cooperation. Look at how the greatest document ever, the Constitution was written with many cooperation and compromises, 3/5th, Connecticut Compromise, even the Bill of Rights.
 
Misterveritis said:
Are you asking me for an idiot lesson? I think you are.

Liberal. Marxist. Other than breaking the nation by taking power and oil offline how is the sidelines president even relevant to a discussion of nuclear power?


Yes. Or any lesser included amount.
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You have already provided an idiot lesson, and again in this post. :sun
 
Misterveritis said:
I do not agree with your flawed premise.
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Alright, explain the threat to the US that convinced you and the majority of Republicans, to wage war on Iraq?
 
Catawba said:
Alright, explain the threat to the US that convinced you and the majority of Republicans, to wage war on Iraq?
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No. I am not going to play your petty, silly game. Play it with someone else.
 
Misterveritis said:
No. I am not going to play your petty, silly game. Play it with someone else.
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Fine, you have no justification for the war against Iraq. Just as I thought!
 
Flyersfan314 said:
Its upsetting to me that Americans talk to each other with such disrespect. Having respect for on another is just as important as having the facts. Without respect and cooperation we can't act together on those facts and fix our problems. Our political system is based on compromise and cooperation. Look at how the greatest document ever, the Constitution was written with many cooperation and compromises, 3/5th, Connecticut Compromise, even the Bill of Rights.
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We live in a world now as to where folks simply wish to one up each other and all the while? The folks that need jobs and healthcare have to suffer cause some folks on the Hill cannot get a grip and act like adults!
 
Catawba said:
Fine, you have no justification for the war against Iraq. Just as I thought!
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I am not going to play your petty, silly games. That's all. You go on believing whatever happy nonsense you want to believe. It matters little.
 
Misterveritis said:
I am not going to play your petty, silly games. That's all. You go on believing whatever happy nonsense you want to believe. It matters little.
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Of course, there is no way to justify the war against Iraq, perfectly understandable.
 
Catawba said:
Alright, explain the threat to the US that convinced you and the majority of Republicans, to wage war on Iraq?
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Bit of a cop-out. The vote was truely bi-partisan. 81 Dems voted for the action in the House 296-133. In the Senate, also bi-partisan. 77-23.
 
1Perry said:
Bit of a cop-out. The vote was truely bi-partisan. 81 Dems voted for the action in the House 296-133. In the Senate, also bi-partisan. 77-23.
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Hardly, it is the verifiable truth! Despite your attempt at spin, the fact remains what I stated, that a majority of Democrats voted against the war, vs a near unanimous majority of Republicans that voted for the war:

147 Congressional Democrats voted against the war vs 110 that voted for it (a majority by anyone's count), and that 296 Congressional Republicans voted for the war and only 7 voted against it.

This can easily be verified by anyone looking at the roll call votes:
Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Catawba said:
Hardly, it is the verifiable truth! Despite your attempt at spin, the fact remains what I stated, that a majority of Democrats voted against the war, vs a near unanimous majority of Republicans that voted for the war:

147 Congressional Democrats voted against the war vs 110 that voted for it (a majority by anyone's count), and that 296 Congressional Republicans voted for the war and only 7 voted against it.

This can easily be verified by anyone looking at the roll call votes:
Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It was bi-partisan. Exactly what people are calling for today.
 
1Perry said:
It was bi-partisan. Exactly what people are calling for today.
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A majority of Democrats voted against the war. Without the Republicans vote for it, we would never have invaded Iraq. Let them pay for it!
 
Catawba said:
A majority of Democrats voted against the war. Without the Republicans vote for it, we would never have invaded Iraq. Let them pay for it!
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Obama could have ended it long ago.
 
Technically he could have but in a practical sense that would have not been a good idea to suddenly pull out. He is ending it now, slowly though.
 
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mattillac said:
Anytime I see a chart with some sort of dollar figure related to the cost of war/defense etc I remind myself of statements made by Sec. Rumsfeld and Sen. Byrd, which I have provided below in part(sorry for the poor transcript).

Robert Byrd:
"I seriously question an increase in the pentagon budget in the face of the departments recent inspector generals report, how can we seriously consider a 50 billion dollar increase in the defense budget when DOD's own auditors, when DOD's own auditors say the department cannot account for 2.3 Trillion dollars in transaction in one year alone"
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Donald Rumsfeld:
"I doubt to be honest that people inside the department are going to be capable of sorting this out, I have a feeling it's going to take some folks from outside to come in and look at this and put in place a process that over a period-and I regret to say but I have seen how long things take-I think it's going to take a period of years to sort it out and I think it will probably take the cooperation of the congress to try and get the system so that you can actually manage the financial aspects of that institution rather than simply report on things that have happened imperfectly."
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The above quotes can be seen and heard in the video below.


The below images speak for themselves I guess.
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Maybe no one really knows how much is spent, I sure as heck am confused.
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I am asking anyone to please provide me with some sort of chart that shows the DOD budget was as high as 2.3 trillion dollars in any one year(or that they spent that much). The above quote from senator Byrd and Sec Rumsfeld discussing unaccounted for funds is from years ago, yet I have never seen any evidence that disproves or proves the claim that 2.3 trillion went unaccounted for in one year(ever). IMO someone is or was lying about how much is spent and or keeping the actual figures under wraps.


Edit: I am no accountant and have a hard time with the numbers.

Here is a chart from Wiki:
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1Perry said:
Obama could have ended it long ago.
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If you can't win an argument, change the subject eh?

I am no supporter of the Obama/GOP offensive military policy. I support the liberal/Libertarian position on defense. Don't you "claim" to be a Libertarian?
 
Flyersfan314 said:
Technically he could have but in a practical sense that would have not been a good idea to suddenly pull out. He is ending it now, slowly though.
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Is there any of the front running GOP candidates calling for a quicker withdrawal than Obama? How about the guy that might have been president if we had let him, is McCain calling for a quicker withdrawal than President Obama?
 
It also includes things like pensions and veteran's affair's, which aren't cutable.
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They are vulnerable to stealth cuts, by means of ludicrous CPI formulas that have cut quite a bit from the parts of the budget that concern wages, COL increases, etc., etc.
 
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