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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, Iraq's army was a joke independent of the United States and its allies. Furthermore, the Iranian Military post revolution saw a serious decline in leadership due to ideological and religious purges. That said, Iran did more damage to Osirak then the Israelis did.
    Sanctions had far more to do with "Iraq's army was a joke" than anything else. They simply did not have the material to first of all repair their machines but also to use said machines in training since there was no replacement parts.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Still, cutting 50% of our military spending will provide approximately $350 billion a year in deficit reduction, without the need to cut benefits to seniors, and still outspend every other country on the planet on military.
    Then you simply wish to kick the can down the road, and not fix the problem.

    When you refuse to significantly address something that makes 55% of our spending and is a number that grows a percentage almost every year while making a huge deal about something that makes up 1/3rd of that number it shows you don't have any honest desire to fix the financial issue but rather to use and amnipulate the financial problems of this country as a means to push your political agenda of anti-military policy in the guise of fiscal responsability. You are no different than the Republicans who want to cut a sliver of defense spending but look towards entitlements and again simply use our fiscal problems as a tool and a prop to disguise their purely political agenda.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    A tactical scenario? How about any time you have a target in a city? Or any time you have a small target, like a vehicle or a single building? Or any time you don't want to waste huge numbers of bombs? As for confirmation, ever heard of predator drones?
    You can recon strike damage from the air was well as you can on the ground.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post

    Yeah, that's the point. Strategic bombing is useless. Smaller, more accurate ordinance is more effective at least 99 percent of the time.
    You don't even know the difference between strategic and tactical strikes, do you?

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not quite. A-10s are close ground support with a tactical specialty in armored vehicle removal.
    Purdy much what I just said.


    Basically any aircraft can be ground support even a tanker if you're crazy enough to fly low enough to drop fuel and then light it.
    Tankers don't work that way. It wouldn't be crazy, it would be friggin stupid, esepcially since tankers don't have any defensive armaments. So, no, not any aircraft can be a ground support aircraft, of the same caliber of an A-10.



    A-10s inhabit an area of air space that puts them in real danger of many anti-air weapons that other aircraft can avoid and still do their primary job. Care to try again?
    That's why they are more heavily armored than fighters, with the ability to operate at lower altitudes. The slower speed of the A-10 gives it an advantage, in that most anti-aircraft weapons in the world are zeroed for aircraft that are flying 3 times faster, which causes a high probabilty of over-shooting the target. The A-10's ability to operate on the deck, at a slow airspeed is what makes it a sutable aircraft for close ground support. F-15's, 18's, etc. fly too high and too fast to properly identify enemy targets on the ground, therefore increaseing the chances of fratricide. Hence the, "close, ground", part of the A-10's primary employment mission.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, Iraq's army was a joke independent of the United States and its allies. Furthermore, the Iranian Military post revolution saw a serious decline in leadership due to ideological and religious purges. That said, Iran did more damage to Osirak then the Israelis did.
    8 million troops died during the Iran-Iraq war. The Iraqi army wasn't a joke. Anyone that thinks so has zero understanding of combat opwer and it's employment on the battlefield.



    The Israelis would disagree with you, as would actual experts.
    10 years ago, maybe. That's a big maybe, since the Israelis have never deployed forces outside the ME.



    Considering the technology we use, that's not a good comparison. Large combat operations involving tens of thousands have gone the way of the dinosaurs. A squad of fighter-bombers can decimate large advancing ground forces. You really don't need lots of soldiers these days unless you're planning an occupation, in which you need your head checked.
    All the technology on earth isn't going to take away from the fact that you can win a war from the air. The only way to win it, is to put infantry soldiers on the ground.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    8 million troops died during the Iran-Iraq war. The Iraqi army wasn't a joke. Anyone that thinks so has zero understanding of combat opwer and it's employment on the battlefield.
    The Iraqi army was a shell of its former self when we invaded, thanks to the butt kicking they took in the first Gulf War plus bombing missions that eliminated their air defenses, plus the elimination of all WMDs through years of inspections. Not to mention the damage it suffered during said Iran-Iraq war.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Link short-term war spending with short-term tax increases to pay for them.
    We'll see how many republicans pursue sensless wars.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Defense, along with entitlements, need to reduce themselves by at least 1/3rd over the next decade. We do not need war time level spending as the norm for our defense budget. Its not sustainable, nor intelligent, nor fiscally responsible, nor even necessary and would produce an atmosphere and beuracracy of waste as we move farther from the ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will however be a slow trickle in a larger budget if entitlements aren't cut along side with it.
    Yes, we should cut foreign & corporate aid entitlements totally, and shut the pentagon down to a maintenance staff.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    8 million troops died during the Iran-Iraq war. The Iraqi army wasn't a joke. Anyone that thinks so has zero understanding of combat opwer and it's employment on the battlefield.



    10 years ago, maybe. That's a big maybe, since the Israelis have never deployed forces outside the ME.





    All the technology on earth isn't going to take away from the fact that you can win a war from the air. The only way to win it, is to put infantry soldiers on the ground.
    I think inserting assassination squads to take out the top ten leaders is a better solution, more cost effective, less lives lost, less VA medical bills, less VA benefits needed, more humane approach.
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