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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    My point exactly. Cruise missiles and laser guided bombs are better than carpet bombing in 99 percent of cases.
    Care to give us some tactical scenarios to illustrate your point?

    One par that you obviously don't understand, is that there has to be impact confirmation, which means troops on the forund to make sure these weapons actually hit their target and access the damage done.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Carpet bombing is made even more obsolete by precision weapons. A pack of A-10's can destroy more targets with less ordnance because you don't waste so much energy blowing up every random building in a four block area, not to mention that "doesn't mass-murder civilians" aspect.
    A-10's aren't tasked with strategic bombing. They are a ground support aircraft. Care to try again?

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Excellent article ~

    "Over the past decade, when we had no serious national adversaries, U.S. defense spending has gone from about a third of total worldwide defense spending to 50 percent. In other words, we spend more on defense than the planet’s remaining countries put together."

    This is my point, if we are serious about addressing debt, this is our most wasteful spending, and the source of much of our debt. Why should we be asking seniors to pay for this debt????
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to give us some tactical scenarios to illustrate your point?

    One par that you obviously don't understand, is that there has to be impact confirmation, which means troops on the forund to make sure these weapons actually hit their target and access the damage done.
    A tactical scenario? How about any time you have a target in a city? Or any time you have a small target, like a vehicle or a single building? Or any time you don't want to waste huge numbers of bombs? As for confirmation, ever heard of predator drones?
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A-10's aren't tasked with strategic bombing. They are a ground support aircraft. Care to try again?

    Yeah, that's the point. Strategic bombing is useless. Smaller, more accurate ordinance is more effective at least 99 percent of the time.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A-10's aren't tasked with strategic bombing. They are a ground support aircraft. Care to try again?
    Not quite. A-10s are close ground support with a tactical specialty in armored vehicle removal. Basically any aircraft can be ground support even a tanker if you're crazy enough to fly low enough to drop fuel and then light it. A-10s inhabit an area of air space that puts them in real danger of many anti-air weapons that other aircraft can avoid and still do their primary job. Care to try again?
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Carpet bombing is made even more obsolete by precision weapons. A pack of A-10's can destroy more targets with less ordnance because you don't waste so much energy blowing up every random building in a four block area, not to mention that "doesn't mass-murder civilians" aspect.
    We don't even need aircraft for this anymore. A single missile sub can destroy a hardened target with a single cruise missile. There really isn't any need for strategic bombers anymore, where I classify strategic to not include B-2s flying precision missions half way across the globe. When was the last time we carpet bombed anything? Vietnam?
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    You guys do realize the biggest single item within the defense budget is personnel no? Benefits are eating the Pentagon alive.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You guys do realize the biggest single item within the defense budget is personnel no? Benefits are eating the Pentagon alive.
    As I said, we should cut the size of our general armed forces and increase the size of our special forces to compensate.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Iraq's army was a joke, because our army is so bad ass. I bet the Iranian army didn't think the Iraqi army was a joke.
    No, Iraq's army was a joke independent of the United States and its allies. Furthermore, the Iranian Military post revolution saw a serious decline in leadership due to ideological and religious purges. That said, Iran did more damage to Osirak then the Israelis did.

    No other army in the world has the level of experience that we have
    The Israelis would disagree with you, as would actual experts.

    That was the attitude during the 30's. We lost nearly a half million soldiers, in less than four years because of that attitude.
    Considering the technology we use, that's not a good comparison. Large combat operations involving tens of thousands have gone the way of the dinosaurs. A squad of fighter-bombers can decimate large advancing ground forces. You really don't need lots of soldiers these days unless you're planning an occupation, in which you need your head checked.
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