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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    There hasn't been a war that was actually a threat to the people of the United States since 1945. The Cold War was a pissing contest between idiots who couldn't put aside their own arrogance to realize that peace is not only possible, but easy. Al Qaeda is a joke and half of their power right now comes from how pissed Middle Easterners are at us for invading their countries and our abusive foreign policy. That next war won't come if we don't start it.
    Not to worry, we'll start it. Like you said: "there hasn't been a war that was actually a threat to the people of the United States since 1945." No problem, been lots of wars. Very profitable wars, I might add, if you are a Military Offense contractor.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Still being specious as you have reduced this argument in 1/2 and disregarded the nuclear option completely while reinforcing the sophistry with a reference to armored warfare being obsolete, which should be a separate thread altogether as it could be debated as still a necessary and viable asset.
    Well, the nukes half of it is already irrelevant because ICBM's make nuclear bombs completely redundant. As I said before, we have 14 submarines that are each capable of reducing an entire country to ashes. As for the other, what targets would you suggest for carpet bombing? If you ever run into a situation where you really need enormous amounts of firepower, just drop a MOAB from a C-130 or something.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The next war will be with Iran, after Israel attacks them. We will be sucked in, won't take much to do that. War with Iran will be no cakewalk. I'm afraid a lot of Americans will die in this one.
    I doubt it. The middle east will remain (somewhat) stable until America fully collapses. At that point, we won't be in a position to get involved with anyone's war.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, because he's double-counting the cost of the wars. the budget figure you are quoting above is with their cost added in; he cuts them entirely, and then adds them back in to "cut the DOD budget by half". in reality, his proposed $500 Bn cut to the DOD budget is a 65-70% cut to DOD, depending on whether or not you are including the war costs.


    mind you, he's probably fine with the larger number - but that only demonstrates that he doesn't really have a solid grasp on how the world plays out in that kind of a US drawdown.
    Much of the cost of the wars have come through special appropriations that were not part of the military budget. As stated, we could end the ME wars and cut military spending by 50% and still spend more on military than any other country on the planet.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    First, the budget for military in 2010 (I'll go off what was completed rather than 2011 as it has hard numbers) was roughly $663 billion. Lets say you're 150 billion was correct. That would mean it'd be cut to $513 billion. Then lets cut that in half, which would be roughly $256 billion, not $350 billion that'd be saving. All told it'd be just shy of half a trillion, sitting around $406 billion. If we used the numbers you said rather than the percentages, meaning after the $150 from the top cut it by $350 billion, we'd actually be looking at $163 billion in defense spending. Which would be a defacto 75% cut to defense and would save the half a trillion you stated. I'm going to go with the percentages, but you can still compare if you want.

    Now similarly, if we reformed entitlement spending to cut it by just 33%, almost half of the defacto 62% decrease you're proposing to defense spending, we'd save more than a half a trillion a year...specifically $663 billion.

    Cut entitlements by 33%, save roughly $650 billion. Cut defense spending by almost double that at 62% and you save almost a quarter of a trillion less. Cut defense spending by 3/4ths as your numbers would do, and you'd still be $150 billion less.

    Here's the big rub though.

    Cut BOTH by 1/3rd of current numbers and we'd save almost $900 billion a year. That's nearly a TRILLION a year just from those two types of monetary streams. It would still keep both making up 2/3rds of the government spending (as opposed to 3/4ths currently). It would keep the military right around the pre-war spending levels of 1998-2001 at roughly 3.5% of GDP.
    I have since learned that Obama discontinued the Bush practice of not including the total cost of the war in the budget. So I agree the total defense budget now includes the spending on the wars. Still, cutting 50% of our military spending will provide approximately $350 billion a year in deficit reduction, without the need to cut benefits to seniors, and still outspend every other country on the planet on military.

    There is no need, or justification I can see, for cutting SS benefits, period. SS can be made solvent again by simply raising the FICA cap from the current $106,000 to $180,000 and restricting the SS funds from general fund use. Transferring unaffordable health care cost for seniors from medicare to private insurance only makes the problem worse for seniors, because in addition to unaffordable health care costs, higher administration costs and profit will be added. The only way that root problem can be addressed is by upgrading our health care system, as the rest of the industrialized world has done.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Well, the nukes half of it is already irrelevant because ICBM's make nuclear bombs completely redundant. As I said before, we have 14 submarines that are each capable of reducing an entire country to ashes. As for the other, what targets would you suggest for carpet bombing? If you ever run into a situation where you really need enormous amounts of firepower, just drop a MOAB from a C-130 or something.
    Carpet bombing is made even more obsolete by precision weapons. A pack of A-10's can destroy more targets with less ordnance because you don't waste so much energy blowing up every random building in a four block area, not to mention that "doesn't mass-murder civilians" aspect.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Carpet bombing is made even more obsolete by precision weapons. A pack of A-10's can destroy more targets with less ordnance because you don't waste so much energy blowing up every random building in a four block area, not to mention that "doesn't mass-murder civilians" aspect.
    My point exactly. Cruise missiles and laser guided bombs are better than carpet bombing in 99 percent of cases.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Who exactly do you think we're going to be fighting?
    Who knows. We never foresaw fighting the British in 1812, the Mexicans in 1847, each other in 1861, the Spanish in 1898, half the world in 1917, half the world again in 1941, the Korean Communists in 1950, the Vietnamese Communists in 1964, the Cubans in 1983...oh, shall I keep going? O do you get the point?

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