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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Our military spending is greater than the rest of the world's military spending combined. It's absurd.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    I'm in favor of defense cuts by decreasing it to its 2/3 size.
    However, a much more serious issue in the US military is not about spendng cuts, but about how to cut waste that occurs in truckloads in the forms of cost overruns, etc...
    If the defense budget is fully reformed, it would be like cutting the budget to 1/2 of its size while still maitaining every troop, every piece of equipment, everything but those civilian bureaucrats that have jobs giving them lavish bonuses every time a military personnel does a better job, and the bureaucrat receives the credit, hence the bonus
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Our military spending is greater than the rest of the world's military spending combined. It's absurd.
    Hence the reason the rest of the world thinks twice before ****ing with us and the reason we can kick the crap out of a million man army, with and army half that size, in a week and only take 100 KIA's.

    Absurd? Not hardly, sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence the reason the rest of the world thinks twice before ****ing with us and the reason we can kick the crap out of a million man army, with and army half that size, in a week and only take 100 KIA's.

    Absurd? Not hardly, sir!
    Iraq's army was a joke, and even then it took us five years to effectively secure the country. Afghanistan's army is practically in the stone age and we're not exactly putting the fear of God into them.

    Our army was built to fight the Cold War -- not the spot conflicts we're facing. If something really bad crops up there is always the option of instituting a draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence the reason the rest of the world thinks twice before ****ing with us and the reason we can kick the crap out of a million man army, with and army half that size, in a week and only take 100 KIA's.

    Absurd? Not hardly, sir!
    Afganistan - October 7th 2001 - August 3rd 2011.

    9 years, 9 months 28 days.

    still there.

    hardly an ass kicking.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I'm in favor of defense cuts by decreasing it to its 2/3 size.
    However, a much more serious issue in the US military is not about spendng cuts, but about how to cut waste that occurs in truckloads in the forms of cost overruns, etc...
    If the defense budget is fully reformed, it would be like cutting the budget to 1/2 of its size while still maitaining every troop, every piece of equipment, everything but those civilian bureaucrats that have jobs giving them lavish bonuses every time a military personnel does a better job, and the bureaucrat receives the credit, hence the bonus
    I bet you wouldn't be saying that if the KPA had just crossed the wire at Yujeong and were cruising down highway 3, through Jeongok and Dongducheon, headed straight for downtown Seoul, in the west and another column in the east going down highway 55, with their sights set on Taegu and then Pusan.

    Let's face facts, bro, the ROKs won't be able to stop them, because when the Kocoms cross the 38th Parallel, they're not coming by the thousands; they're going come by the millions.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Iraq's army was a joke, and even then it took us five years to effectively secure the country. Afghanistan's army is practically in the stone age and we're not exactly putting the fear of God into them.
    Iraq's army was a joke, because our army is so bad ass. I bet the Iranian army didn't think the Iraqi army was a joke.

    Our army was built to fight the Cold War -- not the spot conflicts we're facing.
    Not anymore it's not. The United States military is the most proficient military in the world at fighting an uncoventional force. No other army in the world has the level of experience that we have



    If something really bad crops up there is always the option of instituting a draft.
    That was the attitude during the 30's. We lost nearly a half million soldiers, in less than four years because of that attitude.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I'm in favor of defense cuts by decreasing it to its 2/3 size.
    However, a much more serious issue in the US military is not about spendng cuts, but about how to cut waste that occurs in truckloads in the forms of cost overruns, etc...
    If the defense budget is fully reformed, it would be like cutting the budget to 1/2 of its size while still maitaining every troop, every piece of equipment, everything but those civilian bureaucrats that have jobs giving them lavish bonuses every time a military personnel does a better job, and the bureaucrat receives the credit, hence the bonus
    I bet you wouldn't be saying that if the KPA was cruising down highway 3, towards downtown Seoul.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Our armed forces have been cut in half over the past two decades. If we decrease it by another third, what will be left?

    All these cuts will cost lives.
    That's so undeniably incorrect and patently false I don't know where to begin.

    In 1990 Defense spending was roughly just under 6% of GDP. "Two Decades" after it was just over 6% GDP. Even at its absolute lowest, around 98/99, it was still solidly more than 3% GDP so was not "half".

    How about in straight dollars adjusted for inflation? In 1990 we would've been just shy of 500 Billion. In 2010 we would've been just over 800 Billion. That's not cutting in half, that's raising it by more than half and is actually double what it was at its lowest, which would've been a shade under 400 Billion in 98/99.

    How about just flat out dollars, not even adjusted? You go from just over $300 billion to just over $600 billion.

    You got numbers saying otherwise, please present them. But from what I've seen you're math isn't just wrong...its devastatingly wrong depending how you look at it. Best case scenario is that over the past 2 decades we maintained roughly the same amount of average defense spending as a percent of GDP.

    As I said, I'd be happy to see numbers to the contrary, but right now it looks like you're just factually horribly incorrect. Also, interesting note. Cutting it by 1/3rd would bring it down to roughly 4% GDP. Still not close to "half" of its high of the past two decades of just over 6, and still higher than 1996 - 2002.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Afganistan - October 7th 2001 - August 3rd 2011.

    9 years, 9 months 28 days.

    still there.

    hardly an ass kicking.
    By that logic, we lost the battle of Iwo Jima, too.

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