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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Technically he could have but in a practical sense that would have not been a good idea to suddenly pull out. He is ending it now, slowly though.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quoted from a different thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Anytime I see a chart with some sort of dollar figure related to the cost of war/defense etc I remind myself of statements made by Sec. Rumsfeld and Sen. Byrd, which I have provided below in part(sorry for the poor transcript).

    Robert Byrd:
    "I seriously question an increase in the pentagon budget in the face of the departments recent inspector generals report, how can we seriously consider a 50 billion dollar increase in the defense budget when DOD's own auditors, when DOD's own auditors say the department cannot account for 2.3 Trillion dollars in transaction in one year alone"
    Donald Rumsfeld:
    "I doubt to be honest that people inside the department are going to be capable of sorting this out, I have a feeling it's going to take some folks from outside to come in and look at this and put in place a process that over a period-and I regret to say but I have seen how long things take-I think it's going to take a period of years to sort it out and I think it will probably take the cooperation of the congress to try and get the system so that you can actually manage the financial aspects of that institution rather than simply report on things that have happened imperfectly."

    The above quotes can be seen and heard in the video below.


    The below images speak for themselves I guess.




    Maybe no one really knows how much is spent, I sure as heck am confused.
    I am asking anyone to please provide me with some sort of chart that shows the DOD budget was as high as 2.3 trillion dollars in any one year(or that they spent that much). The above quote from senator Byrd and Sec Rumsfeld discussing unaccounted for funds is from years ago, yet I have never seen any evidence that disproves or proves the claim that 2.3 trillion went unaccounted for in one year(ever). IMO someone is or was lying about how much is spent and or keeping the actual figures under wraps.


    Edit: I am no accountant and have a hard time with the numbers.

    Here is a chart from Wiki:
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Obama could have ended it long ago.
    If you can't win an argument, change the subject eh?

    I am no supporter of the Obama/GOP offensive military policy. I support the liberal/Libertarian position on defense. Don't you "claim" to be a Libertarian?
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    Technically he could have but in a practical sense that would have not been a good idea to suddenly pull out. He is ending it now, slowly though.
    Is there any of the front running GOP candidates calling for a quicker withdrawal than Obama? How about the guy that might have been president if we had let him, is McCain calling for a quicker withdrawal than President Obama?
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    It also includes things like pensions and veteran's affair's, which aren't cutable.
    They are vulnerable to stealth cuts, by means of ludicrous CPI formulas that have cut quite a bit from the parts of the budget that concern wages, COL increases, etc., etc.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    There is no reason not to cut around $300 billion a year from 'Defense' budgets, and all the off-budget and 'discretionary' spending it eats up as well. It would cost Republicans a lot of their union votes at 'Defense' plants, as well as those Democrats who vote for the cuts and have plants in their districts, so it won't happen, except of course when the Republicans finally bankrupt the country and there is nothing left to steal, so enjoy the ride down. One of the last acts of the U.S. government will be turning the military loose on it's own citizens, just like Syria and all the other 'Arab Spring' nonsense is bringing about.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you can't win an argument, change the subject eh?

    I am no supporter of the Obama/GOP offensive military policy. I support the liberal/Libertarian position on defense. Don't you "claim" to be a Libertarian?
    I believe we should end all three wars yesterday. I believe that the ultimate liberty is life and if a leader somewhere is taking the life of his subordinates, he should be killed. End of that story.

    That happened long ago with Saddam.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I believe we should end all three wars yesterday. I believe that the ultimate liberty is life and if a leader somewhere is taking the life of his subordinates, he should be killed. End of that story.

    That happened long ago with Saddam.
    You mean back when Reagan had Iraq removed from the terrorist nations listing? Back when Saddam was at his most murderous and we were his allies? Back when US companies supplied him with the precursor needed to make the outlawed mustard gas that he used on his own people?

    Certainly would have made sense then. But that was before Iraq nationalized their oil and kicked big oil out of Iraq, so their wasn't any need for us to stop being allies of Saddam then.

    I agree with the Libertarians on Defense only policy. We cannot afford this nation building ****! Either financially, or morally.
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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you can't win an argument, change the subject eh?

    I am no supporter of the Obama/GOP offensive military policy. I support the liberal/Libertarian position on defense. Don't you "claim" to be a Libertarian?
    History has proven that the best defense, is to attack. A defensive grand strategy has never worked.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What part of the fact that production hasn't been greater than our consumption for the last 40 years, did you not understand.
    i would imagine it would be the part where our production was artificially constrained?

    You would be happy if we used all the world's oil? Did I understand you correctly?
    he was responding that he does not give a hoot what % of the worlds' production we use.

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