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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Who exactly do you think we're going to be fighting?
    There are some interesting studies that take place every year or so. The last one I am familiar with described potential crises the nation would need to be prepared to deal with and to prevail in the 2020 time frame.

    Today I would suggest that Islamofascism will be with us for the foreseeable future. We have seen a rise of organized crime that is heavily armed and already controls portions of the United States near the US-Mexican border. The Chinese have been developing the philosophical underpinnings of their eventual victory over the US in the Pacific.

    Plato said that only the dead have seen and end to war. I believe that history will continue to prove him right.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Some of the conservatives on this thread make a good pint of preparedness. We need to keep some oversee bases open, especially in the middle east. We can reduce spending by reducing some of the projects we have going on. The decision to go with the F-35 or F-22 should have been made a long time ago. There is no reason to have both. Yes the F-35 is a better air/ground but the difference is not large enough to have both. We can cut back on personnel, most personnel don't see the front line. We do not need to have the large navy and air force that we have. We should be ready to increase it size but to have it right now is not necessary.

    Technology is reducing cost through UAV and multipurpose tech like the F-22. Our military contacts are not efficient either; requirements and technology changes and a contract 20 years ago will need constant updating and more money. The faster companies are able to create an efficient tool the more they should be rewarded. Right now its the other way around where the longer it takes to create a tool the more money they request and receive due to contracts which can be open ended.

    If we want to have a military budget this big and keep increasing it we need to raise taxes. Reforming mandatory spending won't be enough.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Agreed. The war of this age is the unconventional/irregular/asymmetrical warfare. Most of what you stated are useless in that kind of combat.
    All the US needs aside from the weaponry for unconventional warfare are nukes. A few will keep countries like Russia and China in check.
    Have you spoken with Russia and China about your ideas? Both are modernizing their forces. The Chinese are intent upon defeating us to control the nations of the Pacific.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    If we just cut that to 33% of the world total, we wouldn't have no stinking deficit.
    LOL. Not even close.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I think he meant us nuking NKorea. Our nukes usually work pretty well.
    Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. We used to test them with underground bursts. We stopped in the name of the greater good. We have no real clue as to whether or not our weapons will work.

    So if we want to have a threat worth considering we need to resume testing our nuclear weapons.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Specious argument since if this logic was applied to the US armed forces in general we either REALLY want to kill others and put our troops in harms way or if we do not then we should just do away with the military all together. After all do we really WANT to be doing war?
    George Washington discussed this with someone just like you at the very beginning of our nation's experiment in republicanism. The most effectual way to preserve the peace is to prepare for war. Weakness invites attack. Being unprepared for war just means quick defeat or horrendous casualties. Which do you prefer?

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyersfan314 View Post
    Some of the conservatives on this thread make a good pint of preparedness. We need to keep some oversee bases open, especially in the middle east. We can reduce spending by reducing some of the projects we have going on. The decision to go with the F-35 or F-22 should have been made a long time ago. There is no reason to have both. Yes the F-35 is a better air/ground but the difference is not large enough to have both. We can cut back on personnel, most personnel don't see the front line. We do not need to have the large navy and air force that we have. We should be ready to increase it size but to have it right now is not necessary.

    Technology is reducing cost through UAV and multipurpose tech like the F-22. Our military contacts are not efficient either; requirements and technology changes and a contract 20 years ago will need constant updating and more money. The faster companies are able to create an efficient tool the more they should be rewarded. Right now its the other way around where the longer it takes to create a tool the more money they request and receive due to contracts which can be open ended.

    If we want to have a military budget this big and keep increasing it we need to raise taxes. Reforming mandatory spending won't be enough.
    Or, the government could stop making it harder for the private sector to get back to work. Just raising taxes won't work, as long as we have an anti-private sector government and the un-employment rate keeps rising.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    As to cutting defense spending, I believe that anything that has a nearly 600 billion dollar a year budget is capable of being cut, I wouldn't even dare to hazard a guess as to waste and fraud in handling such a $ figure, but even 5% ( which I believe to be low) would be a savings of 30 billion dollars a year.

    I think anyone with half a mind, is in favor of cutting waste and fraud out of every program the US government is infused in, from welfare to our defense.
    I know that you already know this...but finding the waste and fraud is remarkably hard. I don't think anyone has every successfully found the waste and fraud. Ever.

    Still, the smaller the number the harder fraud is to hide. Waste is a bit like beauty. It is in the eye of the beholder.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    They can be eliminated for the same reason tanks can be eliminated: They're completely ineffective in fighting modern wars. The only thing carpet bombing anyone will do is make us more enemies.
    Do you believe that we should restrict ourselves to one bomb per airframe?

    We bomb as appropriate. Sometimes lots of bombs have just the right psychological effect on the enemy. More often we use one bomb, or two, to destroy one target. I prefer to let the military experts determine the right approach.

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    Re: ‘Pentagon’s Worst Nightmare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    The only war we should be involved in would be one where the US was actually threatened, not these empire building blood for oil excursions that we have seen recently. NEWSFLASH...We can no longer afford to be the world police, time to pass the baton.
    The Russians and the Chinese are ready to pick it up. Blood for oil notwithstanding...

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