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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    how many have been squashed due to skirting the monopoly laws, and collusion? And how many does one country need?

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

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    Nonsense. So unions causing the companies that they bleed to fail under the weight of unsustainable union contracts would have some how been union busting? Wow, that is a magical world you live in hay.

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    How is it you blame unions for both the contracts and the over all ability of a corporation to offer products tht the consumer buys or does not buy?

    The last time I looked not a single union member made the executive decisions that ran the car companies into difficulty - not one. But you hate unions so they are your favorite whipping boy and scapegoat for all the nations ills.
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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How is it you blame unions for both the contracts and the over all ability of a corporation to offer products tht the consumer buys or does not buy?

    The last time I looked not a single union member made the executive decisions that ran the car companies into difficulty - not one. But you hate unions so they are your favorite whipping boy and scapegoat for all the nations ills.
    It is actually fun to read the two extremes come up with ludicrous statements. While it is true that the auto co. executives did a horrible job for decades it is also true that the unions and their employees pushed for contracts that made no long term economic sense, either for the companies or the employees themselves.

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    It is actually fun to read the two extremes come up with ludicrous statements. While it is true that the auto co. executives did a horrible job for decades it is also true that the unions and their employees pushed for contracts that made no long term economic sense, either for the companies or the employees themselves.
    It's also true that the companies agreed to those contracts, and in fact pushed the very changes that you're complaining about. It was the companies who wanted to keep down salaries, so instead they kicked the can down the road (phrase of the year) and negotiated relatively modest pay hikes but very generous medical and pension benefits that would hit future management.

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    It is actually fun to read the two extremes come up with ludicrous statements. While it is true that the auto co. executives did a horrible job for decades it is also true that the unions and their employees pushed for contracts that made no long term economic sense, either for the companies or the employees themselves.
    Apparently the executives who run the companies felt the contracts they negotiated were indeed in the best interests of the company and they could make money within them or they would not have negotiated them or singed them.

    Or am I mistaken that they participated freely in that process?
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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL -- are you being serious? We're on track to increase the debt something like 10 trillion over the next decade and you're whining about this being something significant?
    It's a lot of little things and letting them slide, to cut fat and waste out of the budget you have to consider that cost to the taxpayers and that is just on one expense and for one day. How can you gloss over a 1.7B expense that could have been easily avoided?

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL -- are you being serious? We're on track to increase the debt something like 10 trillion over the next decade and you're whining about this being something significant?
    It's all the little things - this here, that there - this over there .. . added together that equal such a large amount in the end. Like the grocery bill - nothing I buy is over $5.00 - but I still spend $200 each time I buy food for the family.

    Quantity - things add up pretty quickly.
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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's all the little things - this here, that there - this over there .. . added together that equal such a large amount in the end. Like the grocery bill - nothing I buy is over $5.00 - but I still spend $200 each time I buy food for the family.

    Quantity - things add up pretty quickly.
    So tax cuts would help you?

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So tax cuts would help you?
    Not if the goal is to lower the deficit.

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not if the goal is to lower the deficit.
    The way to lower the deficit is to cut spending but you know that. Tell me how you justify record spending of 3.7 trillion a year and generating these kind of results?

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