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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This thread is not about socialism.
    Now if you would like to talk about socialism and what not you can start a thread or there is currently one going on right now about socialism. If you would like to move this debate over there i would more and gladly follow you there.
    So socialists don't spend a lot of money and have high debt?

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama results speak for themselves, probably excellent socialist results, right? High unemployment, low economic growth, and high debt
    Wait how is that socialism?
    What has Obama done that is socialistic?
    Passed the Bush Tax Cuts, didnt fight for a public option, continue many bush economic policies. Nothing he has done is socialism... Do the workers own the workplace? No.
    Tell me how is anything Obama done socialism?

    Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or underemployment over 24 million TODAY,
    You have a source for this claims?
    Because like TurtleDude i think your possibly making stuff out of thin air...

    4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index(7.83 to 12.67).
    But when Bush and everyone else spent money it didnt matter right?

    Economic growth-GDP

    1st Qtr 2011 .4%
    False 1.8%
    First-quarter U.S. economic growth slows to 1.8% - Economic Report - MarketWatch

    2nd Qtr 2011 1.3%
    Ture...


    But wait i thought if the gov gets involved that is "socialism" and that is bad. What do you want Obama to do about it?
    Why are you calling on the big man to maybe help out a little bit? I thought you guys hate that...


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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So socialists don't spend a lot of money and have high debt?
    Man your smart!

    That has nothing to do with socialism...


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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Man your smart!

    That has nothing to do with socialism...
    I think this is an act, you don't seem to have a clue as to the results of socialist countries.

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I think this is an act, you don't seem to have a clue as to the results of socialist countries.
    What there is a "socialist country" now somewhere?! Which one!? China (not socialist). Cuba (not socialist). The old USSR (not socialist. Claimed to be fighting for basic socialism there whole existence) Vietnam (not socialist). DPRK (not socialist).


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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What there is a "socialist country" now somewhere?! Which one!? China (not socialist). Cuba (not socialist). The old USSR (not socialist. Claimed to be fighting for basic socialism there whole existence) Vietnam (not socialist). DPRK (not socialist).
    Great so there there aren't any countries that you believe are socialist thus why do you describe yourself as a socialist since you don't have any country to really follow and learn from?

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Great so there there aren't any countries that you believe are socialist thus why do you describe yourself as a socialist since you don't have any country to really follow and learn from?
    So this went from a taxation thread to "lets argue about socialism"... Oh go figure....

    But anyways no no country has ever been truly "socialist"... No i have plenty of countries to learn from. USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, some eastern European and Scandinavia countries, south American countries. Mainly socialist, communist, and other leftist leaders tho..


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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So this went from a taxation thread to "lets argue about socialism"... Oh go figure....

    But anyways no no country has ever been truly "socialist"... No i have plenty of countries to learn from. USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, some eastern European and Scandinavia countries, south American countries. Mainly socialist, communist, and other leftist leaders tho..
    Absolutely outstanding countries you have chosen to model yourself after, state controlled media, huge lower class, no middle class, high unemployment subsidized by the govt. Wonder where all that money comes from to take care of all those people? You don't believe Obama is trying to do that here? Obama record sounds like Venezuela or Cuba. Debt ceiling? What debt ceiling, just print money and stifle individual creativity and risk taking.

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    False 1.8%
    july 29: GDP grows slender 1.3% in second quarter - Economic Report - MarketWatch

    sub headline: "economic growth for first quarter revised down to 0.4%"

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    Re: Debt ceiling cost to taxpayers: $1.7 billion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Absolutely outstanding countries you have chosen to model yourself after, state controlled media, huge lower class, no middle class, high unemployment subsidized by the govt.
    Never said i wanted to "model myself after", thanks for putting words in my mouth....
    I choose to learn from their success's.
    I choose to learn by leaders, intellectuals, etc.

    Wonder where all that money comes from to take care of all those people?
    Well when you have a country thats not trying to keep open hundreds of military bases around the world, giving hand outs to other countries (Ex. Israel), you can implement a extreme progressive taxation.

    You don't believe Obama is trying to do that here?
    What implement progressive taxation or socialism?
    I think he believe the rich should have a higher tax rate sure.
    But is he trying to implement socialism? No. When has he ever tried or even said anything about the workers TAKING CONTROL OF THE WORKPLACE?

    Obama record sounds like Venezuela or Cuba.

    What world to you live in!?!?
    Are you serious!?

    Debt ceiling? What debt ceiling, just print money and stifle individual creativity and risk taking.
    Well im guessing sense OBama wanted to raise the debt ceiling that makes him a socialist right? Is this seriously your definition of socialism!? Well if it is i guess that makes republicans socialists too!!!!

    Open a book? Check in to reality. Maybe try to find out what socialism is before you go on your babbaling "anything to the left of me is a socialist" bull****...


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