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Sen. Lee threatens to filibuster debt ceiling vote

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What in the world is a "Satan Sandwich"?
 
Just use what Pelosi did during the health care debate. "We have to pass the bill first to see what is in it." (paraphrased),

Ahh, the party of "yes", may bring us down yet.
 
tessaesque said:
What in the world is a "Satan Sandwich"?
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lpast said:
Maybe not quite a done deal..


Sen. Lee threatens to filibuster debt ceiling vote – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


"I am concerned about this because we don't know the details. And until we see the details, we're going to be extremely non-committed but on the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri) said on MSNBC.

Dem Congressman: Debt Deal A "Satan Sandwich" | RealClearPolitics
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With Senator McConnell having played a key role in securing the agreement, a majority of GOP Senators will likely vote for cloture. Added to the overwhelming Democratic Party support for cloture, my guess is that any attempt by Senator Lee to filibuster would fairly easily be cast aside by the Senate (perhaps two-thirds or more Senators voting for cloture). His threat of a filibuster is largely symbolic.

The House could see a narrower vote. There, too, with Democrats joining a significant number of Republicans, passage is probably likely. Bipartisan support in the House will probably be sufficient to overcome objections from progressive Democrats on one end of the ideological spectrum and Tea Party Republicans on the other, unless new details emerge that raise significant questions about key terms of the agreement.
 
lpast said:
Maybe not quite a done deal..


Sen. Lee threatens to filibuster debt ceiling vote – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


"I am concerned about this because we don't know the details. And until we see the details, we're going to be extremely non-committed but on the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri) said on MSNBC.

Dem Congressman: Debt Deal A "Satan Sandwich" | RealClearPolitics
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Nothing is keeping them from 'knowing the details' :shrug:

But since Congress is lazy and their approach to such serious situations is "we'll role all our expenses and responsibilities into one big fat debate and bill and vote on one single budget" I'm surprised any of them give a ****.
 
donsutherland1 said:
With Senator McConnell having played a key role in securing the agreement, a majority of GOP Senators will likely vote for cloture. Added to the overwhelming Democratic Party support for cloture, my guess is that any attempt by Senator Lee to filibuster would fairly easily be cast aside by the Senate (perhaps two-thirds or more Senators voting for cloture). His threat of a filibuster is largely symbolic.

The House could see a narrower vote. There, too, with Democrats joining a significant number of Republicans, passage is probably likely. Bipartisan support in the House will probably be sufficient to overcome objections from progressive Democrats on one end of the ideological spectrum and Tea Party Republicans on the other, unless new details emerge that raise significant questions about key terms of the agreement.
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Key (potential) issue with cloture: debate can still continue for up to 30 hours after it is invoked if enough senators are backing the filibuster. Seeing as how our debt issue comes in tomorrow, the timing on this could be problematic. While a few hours delay would probably not result in technical default, it could mean some bills are paid late. I don't know if this would cause significant issue or not, though.
 
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Deuce said:
Key (potential) issue with cloture: debate can still continue for up to 30 hours after it is invoked if enough senators are backing the filibuster. Seeing as how our debt issue comes in tomorrow, the timing on this could be problematic. While a few hours delay would probably not result in technical default, it could mean some bills are paid late. I don't know if this would cause significant issue or not, though.
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If Senator Lee were to reject a unanimous consent request to limit debate, it would be potentially problematic (assuming the federal government would run out of cash on 8/2 to meet its needs; a few extra days may remain according to some market estimates). Right now, there is no indication that Senator Lee would still seek to delay the measure if his filibuster aimed at defeating it (unless a balanced budget amendment were attached to it) were thwarted.
 
lpast said:
Maybe not quite a done deal..


Sen. Lee threatens to filibuster debt ceiling vote – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs


"I am concerned about this because we don't know the details. And until we see the details, we're going to be extremely non-committed but on the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri) said on MSNBC.

Dem Congressman: Debt Deal A "Satan Sandwich" | RealClearPolitics
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Emanuel Cleaver isn't going to filibuster or otherwise stop anything. He just wants more for his vote, and he's going to get a little more and back down.
 
Curious why anyone thinks it is a BAD thing to debate and ensure that the legislation being passed is actually GOOD for the country. I know...I know...why should we question legislation that comes out of congress...especially legislation rammed down peoples throats at the last minute. What could POSSIBLY go wrong there...
 
VanceMack said:
Curious why anyone thinks it is a BAD thing to debate and ensure that the legislation being passed is actually GOOD for the country. I know...I know...why should we question legislation that comes out of congress...especially legislation rammed down peoples throats at the last minute. What could POSSIBLY go wrong there...
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Then maybe the teabaggers should have compromised sooner, and not tie the bill up with their pre-conditions.
 
sangha said:
Then maybe the teabaggers should have compromised sooner, and not tie the bill up with their pre-conditions.
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Why? Why should they compromise? Why should they accept ****ty legislation? We have very little by way of details but last time they pulled this **** they trumpeted 'savings' and 'spending cuts' which amounted to a drop in the buck in DEFICIT spending cuts. So what is THIS piece of **** going to look like? Are we going to be 30 trillion in debt in ten years but consider it a success because without this legislation we would be 31 trillion in debt? Do you even know what you are supporting?
 
VanceMack said:
Why? Why should they compromise? Why should they accept ****ty legislation? We have very little by way of details but last time they pulled this **** they trumpeted 'savings' and 'spending cuts' which amounted to a drop in the buck in DEFICIT spending cuts. So what is THIS piece of **** going to look like? Are we going to be 30 trillion in debt in ten years but consider it a success because without this legislation we would be 31 trillion in debt? Do you even know what you are supporting?
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Wait, so now you don't want a debate?
 
sangha said:
Because the teabaggers are not oppossed to debt. If they were, they wouldn't have so much debt

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...olitical-platforms/105728-debt-tea-party.html

And if they didn't believe in govt spending, they wouldn't be such welfare queens
Teabagger Queen Michele Bachmann Cashed In On $250,000 In Welfare - By Yasha Levine - The eXiled
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It's as if you folks don't care that we were never going to default in the first place, and just want to fight for the sake of fighting.
 
Jerry said:
It's as if you folks don't care that we were never going to default in the first place, and just want to fight for the sake of fighting.
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Right!! That's why it took a democratic president to balance the budget
 
sangha said:
Right!! That's why it took a democratic president to balance the budget
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That's exactly what Obama needs his sheeple to think. Good job.

Any 3rd grader can find .4 in 2.2, and it was always going to be the first bill paid. We were never going to default, democrat president or no.
 
Jerry said:
That's exactly what Obama needs his sheeple to think. Good job.

Any 3rd grader can find .4 in 2.2, and it was always going to be the first bill paid. We were never going to default, democrat president or no.
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No, we'd just stop paying for anything else. Like deployed soldiers. They don't need paychecks, right?
 
Deuce said:
Wait, so now you don't want a debate?
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Debate away. Where did I say dont debate? What I said is why should THEY be the ones that compromise? The last round of compromise amounted to about 300 million dollars of a dent in the DEFICIT spending...a round of negotiations heralded as a triumph by both sides. So we went from...what...spending 1.4 trillion more than what we had to spending 1.37 trillion more than what we had.

I ask again...of the people that dont have me on 'ignore' of course...As you trip over yourselves to bang on the Tea Party...do you even know what you are endorsing?
 
tessaesque said:
Kind of a dumb way to say it, IMO.
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The Urban dictionary has a more entertaining definition. Perhaps this is what Sen. Lee meant? ha ha

Satan Sandwich 76 up, 18 down
A sandwich made by Satan.

The chiefest of hell's dark delights, it is said that just one bite of it arouses an unspeakable lust of terrific potency.
"Man, this satan sandwich makes me so randy!"
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Urban Dictionary: Satan Sandwich
 
Jerry said:
That's exactly what Obama needs his sheeple to think. Good job.

Any 3rd grader can find .4 in 2.2, and it was always going to be the first bill paid. We were never going to default, democrat president or no.
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If there's no link, it isn't true
 
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