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U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

Catawba said:
"Far from being "worthless IOUs," the investments held by the trust funds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government.
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You DO know that the SSTF bonds are not like normal bonds - they are held by the US government and represent nothing more than an accounting entry - right?
They are guaranteed by nothing more than Congress' promise to square up the accounting. There's NO FF+C issue here because SS did not lend the money to anyone.
 
sangha said:
More unsubstantiated BS from the rightwing. Under the law, there are no cuts to the benfits seniors receive under Medicare. And doctors would continue seeing Medicare patients or go out of business for lack of paying customers
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Wrong again. It's common knowledge that the Affordable Care Act contains $500 billion in cuts to Medicare.

No, doctors won't "go out of business", they'll simply start seeing patients that actually pay the going rate for health services. Seniors already have problems finding doctors that will accept their Medicare cards. My mother was advised to see a specialist a few months ago and couldn't find one in the entire city that was accepting new Medicare patients.

The most legitimate concern about the Affordable Care Act's pay-fors is that some portion of the $220 billion reduction in Medicare productivity payments won't stick. Richard Foster, Medicare's chief actuary, is clearly of this opinion: "While such payment update reductions will create a strong incentive for providers to maximize efficiency," he told the House Budget Committee, "it is doubtful that many will be able to improve their own productivity to the degree achieved by the economy at large." (It's worth noting that his testimony singles out this "one category" of savings as unrealistic, suggesting he considers the remaining $300 billion in cuts fairly uncontroversial.)
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Ezra Klein - Will the Medicare cuts in health-care reform stick?
 
Gill said:
Wrong again. It's common knowledge that the Affordable Care Act contains $500 billion in cuts to Medicare.
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All the cuts are to providers. This has already been explained, but the denial of rightwingers prevent them from acknowledging facts.

No, doctors won't "go out of business", they'll simply start seeing patients that actually pay the going rate for health services. Seniors already have problems finding doctors that will accept their Medicare cards. My mother was advised to see a specialist a few months ago and couldn't find one in the entire city that was accepting new Medicare patients.
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If they don't see Medicare patients, they will go out business as the population ages because there wont be enough non-medicare patients with insurance.

And I don't believe your anecdotes. They are unadulturated BS fictions.


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Ezra Klein - Will the Medicare cuts in health-care reform stick?
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It's funny to see a rightwinger argue for MORE GOVT SPENDING on health care. I love it when the rightwingers make our arguments for us without even realizing it :lamo
 
AdamT said:
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...."
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Yes. And?
 
sangha said:
If they don't see Medicare patients, they will go out business as the population ages because there wont be enough non-medicare patients with insurance.
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Do you actually think before you start posting ???

Based on this absurd statement, my guess is no. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
Dammit, you mean we could have been killing people instead of feeding them and provding them medical care?!
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Thank you for your complete failure to address the point.
 
Gill said:
Do you actually think before you start posting ???

Based on this absurd statement, my guess is no. :roll:
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And I see you still have no arguments to make, or any facts to back them up with. All you've got is invective and childish insults.
 
sangha said:
And I see you still have no arguments to make, or any facts to back them up with. All you've got is invective and childish insults.
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I don't think anyone on this board besides you requires any evidence that there will not be enough people in this country under the age of 65 to keep doctors busy. Unless there is some huge die off of everyone under the age of 65, it is obvious to everyone but you that there will still be hundreds of millions of people requiring healthcare. And because of the Obama healthcare reform boondoggle, each and every one will have health insurance.
 
The truth is that doctors are overpaid in this country relative to what doctors make everywhere else. That is one of the realities we need to face if we're ever going to get medical costs under control.
 
Gill said:
I don't think anyone on this board besides you requires any evidence that there will not be enough people in this country under the age of 65 to keep doctors busy. Unless there is some huge die off of everyone under the age of 65, it is obvious to everyone but you that there will still be hundreds of millions of people requiring healthcare. And because of the Obama healthcare reform boondoggle, each and every one will have health insurance.
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Hundreds of millions, huh? If a rightwinger on the internet says so, it must be true!!
 
AdamT said:
The truth is that doctors are overpaid in this country relative to what doctors make everywhere else. That is one of the realities we need to face if we're ever going to get medical costs under control.
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Really???

Tell that to the person that spends 8 years in college followed by 3 to 7 years of residency working 80 hours a week for practically nothing. If you ask me, averaging a doctor's income over their entire medical career is relatively low.

But you feel free to go to a doctor making $30,000 / year. I've seen the teeth of Europeans and I'll stick to American doctors and dentists.
 
sangha said:
Hundreds of millions, huh? If a rightwinger on the internet says so, it must be true!!
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OK, I'm about done with your silly and childish retorts. I suggest you look up the population of the U.S. and its demographics.

But here's a hint........... There are over 300 million people in the country right now and around 40 million over the age of 65.

So yes, hundreds of million people under the age of 65 is accurate.

I can't believe you actually didn't know that basic fact.
 
Gill said:
Really???

Tell that to the person that spends 8 years in college followed by 3 to 7 years of residency working 80 hours a week for practically nothing. If you ask me, averaging a doctor's income over their entire medical career is relatively low.

But you feel free to go to a doctor making $30,000 / year. I've seen the teeth of Europeans and I'll stick to American doctors and dentists.
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Yes, really. Doctors in this country make much more money than doctors everywhere else. Thirty thousand is obviously not realistic, but it's also not realistic for them to making high six and low seven figures, as some do. This is one of the advantage of single payer. Why do our doctors make so much money relative to doctors elsewhere? They make so much because private insurers pay them that much.
 
AdamT said:
Yes, really. Doctors in this country make much more money than doctors everywhere else. Thirty thousand is obviously not realistic, but it's also not realistic for them to making high six and low seven figures, as some do. This is one of the advantage of single payer. Why do our doctors make so much money relative to doctors elsewhere? They make so much because private insurers pay them that much.
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Maybe because they have to pay for college. Med school is about $50K/yr, maybe more. So now tell me what this has to do with the topic.
 
Gill said:
Really???

Tell that to the person that spends 8 years in college followed by 3 to 7 years of residency working 80 hours a week for practically nothing. If you ask me, averaging a doctor's income over their entire medical career is relatively low.

But you feel free to go to a doctor making $30,000 / year. I've seen the teeth of Europeans and I'll stick to American doctors and dentists.
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And again, the rightwingers have to deny the facts. Too bad the facts have a leftwing bias
 
AdamT said:
Yes, really. Doctors in this country make much more money than doctors everywhere else. Thirty thousand is obviously not realistic, but it's also not realistic for them to making high six and low seven figures, as some do. This is one of the advantage of single payer. Why do our doctors make so much money relative to doctors elsewhere? They make so much because private insurers pay them that much.
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Why do our people on welfare have so much more than poor people in other countries ????

Based on your response, I'm assuming you also don't think basketball players and actors should make as much as they do.

Have you always envied the success of others ??
 
sangha said:
And again, the rightwingers have to deny the facts. Too bad the facts have a leftwing bias
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Of course since you said it, that makes it so.
 
Gill said:
OK, I'm about done with your silly and childish retorts. I suggest you look up the population of the U.S. and its demographics.

But here's a hint........... There are over 300 million people in the country right now and around 40 million over the age of 65.

So yes, hundreds of million people under the age of 65 is accurate.

I can't believe you actually didn't know that basic fact.
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That's now. But soon, a larger portion of the population will be over 65. That's why the republicans are pushing their health care plan (ie "Die Quickly!")
 
American said:
Maybe because they have to pay for college. Med school is about $50K/yr, maybe more. So now tell me what this has to do with the topic.
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So let's make medical school free in return for reduced pay. Problem solved!!
 
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