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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I did. I told you...stop bringing up people that hid their families wealth to avoid paying taxes...
    The issue was "corporations", not "families" You're moving the goal posts
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SS provides more in revenue than it disburses. It is a net profit center, not an expense. It does not increase our debt; it decreases it

    And your budget #'s don't include off-budget spending, like the Iraq War under bush*
    You're suggesting social security raises more than $695 Billion dollars in revenue? I'd need to see some legitimate sources showing that, and not some liberal blog throwing up a random image without any numbers of information backing up how they got it.

    Unless you're talking about Social Security taxes as opposed to social security payouts, in which case no dice. That social security tax is part of the overall revenue generated. So its already taken into account in regards to the total federal revenue generated, which is still leaving us with a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. If you have accurate and official numbers for what the total revenue would be sans SS tax and we remove the SS spending from the equation and judge the whole thing there, I'd be interested in seeing it.

    But as it stands. Both SS taxes and SS spending is included in the total budget regarding the amount of revenue and the amount of spending. You can not erase one and ignore the other.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Photobucket, can't see it at work. However, I'm going off the numbers put out by the official Government Printing Office's site.

    Not realisitic. There's plenty of defense spending tucked away in the budgets of depts other than the DoD
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I think what you have explained here is one thing missing in these income tax comparisons. Does England, France and Germany have a second tier of taxes like our state taxes to pay? Our states provide things to us that federal government does not. A centralized national government would necessarily have to have a higher income tax rate to provide everything. More apples and oranges. Our government has much more money that it will ever need. We are taxed enough.
    They aren't "income tax comparison". They're a comparison of ALL taxes

    And what makes you think the regional govts of europe provide no services, or less than US states. In general, they provide more
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obvious differences in ideologies...we have increased federal spending from 18 to 25%. One side believes the answer is to raise taxes. The other believes the answer is to get the fed to stop spending like crack addicts.
    Our tax rates are low in comparison to other countries, if people want to preserve their entitlements then they have to realize they will have to eventually agree to a higher tax rate. This debate is eventually going to reach a point where a lot of people will say enough cutting my entitlements, and then the debate will be about raising or not raising taxes.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're suggesting social security raises more than $695 Billion dollars in revenue? I'd need to see some legitimate sources showing that, and not some liberal blog throwing up a random image without any numbers of information backing up how they got it.

    Unless you're talking about Social Security taxes as opposed to social security payouts, in which case no dice. That social security tax is part of the overall revenue generated. So its already taken into account in regards to the total federal revenue generated, which is still leaving us with a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit. If you have accurate and official numbers for what the total revenue would be sans SS tax and we remove the SS spending from the equation and judge the whole thing there, I'd be interested in seeing it.

    But as it stands. Both SS taxes and SS spending is included in the total budget regarding the amount of revenue and the amount of spending. You can not erase one and ignore the other.
    SS has historically had a surplus. Over the years, I think it's something like $12T in surpluses
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said "corporations", not "families" You're moving the goal posts
    I said neither...I didnt bring up either...and if you dont think the Kennedy's were a corporation, you dont know much about history.

    But hey...as long as we all agree that there are just as many capitalist left leaning ****heads protecting their wealth as there are right...I guess we can all find common ground.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bottom line: the American people very clearly want Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a strong defense, and we cannot pay for those programs unless we raise taxes to historical norms.
    It's true those are very popular programs. We all want to see cuts, and some people want to do away with those programs... When the debate gets to that point, there is going to be more resistance to slash them. The only other thing the government could do is to go around the backs of the people and altogether destroy those programs.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Our tax rates are low in comparison to other countries, if people want to preserve their entitlements then they have to realize they will have to eventually agree to a higher tax rate. This debate is eventually going to reach a point where a lot of people will say enough cutting my entitlements, and then the debate will be about raising or not raising taxes.
    But there are a couple of problems with your statement. Most of the "people" that want to not only protect but also expand their "entitlements" arent the ones paying for them. They have no problem with raising taxes...in fact embrace it...because they know they will impact the other guys. Thats why the "everyone has to pay their fair share" is so dishonest.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I did. I told you...stop bringing up people that hid their families wealth to avoid paying taxes...
    What about the Kerry's? They were accused of doing that...

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