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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Obvious differences in ideologies...we have increased federal spending from 18 to 25%. One side believes the answer is to raise taxes. The other believes the answer is to get the fed to stop spending like crack addicts.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    That's absurd. The vast majority of the reasons any corporation might pay no U.S. federal corporate income tax are:

    1. They had losses which meet or exceed their earnings.
    2. They were engaged in foreign business and paid as much or more than the federal rate, in the country they are doing business, as per U.S. treaty agreements.

    It makes no sense to say you want to spend a lot of time finding way to tax people who lost money, or who already paid in the nation they are doing business.
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    3. They maintained a fake foreign office in a low-tax country and funneled their income through it in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    How do we not have enough money?

    all I see is a constant appeal to increase budgets - borrow more - spend more. . .in the meantime every year we just hand away BILLIONS in corporate and foreign aid to less than deserving countries and corporate entities.

    YOu think we need ot adjust our view of our tax-status from 'too high' to 'moderate' or even 'low' . . . .andI think you and others need to adjust your view of our SPENDING HABITS and what we do wit hteh money that we DO HAVE.

    Everywehre I look there's excessive waste, poorly managed funds, handouts for no reason, endless war and on and on.

    End all the excess and THEN tell me how we stand.

    Last year I did a report in the subject of agency waste - there are more than 5 government agencies that give money to foreign countries ON TOP of what our Congress directly stipends out each year. . . Holy crap - with that kind of excess kicking around it's amazing we have fallen into this pit already.

    Oh WAIT - we HAVE. HAH! Several times.
    Since you did research about that and you're concerned, have you contacted your represented about it or thought taking action in some way?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Bottom line: the American people very clearly want Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and a strong defense, and we cannot pay for those programs unless we raise taxes to historical norms.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then tell us who is making a "Government cares for your every need" argument?
    Nobody wants the government to care for their every need... take a ****ing poll. It's just an empty slogan, and he probably think it's clever sounding.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
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    3. They maintained a fake foreign office in a low-tax country and funneled their income through it in order to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
    We are NOT talking about the Kennedy family at this time. Knock that **** off and stay focused on the problem.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We are NOT talking about the Kennedy family at this time. Knock that **** off and stay focused on the problem.
    No, we're not. Now perhaps you want to address the issue?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    First off, let's make this discussion adult and cease the name calling.

    As for your point, where exactly does it state that the US was never intended to be socialist? That is surprising to me since many of your programs (SS, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, etc.) are, no?
    And when were all of those prgrams enacted and why? Not to become socialist but to provide a safety net for those in need and far after this country was founded. Those programs evolved to be much larger than they should and have now become a safety blanket. A system founded on the principle of less government by definition couldn't have intended to be socialist.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Horse****...if it wasnt for democrats pandering to their base and liberals losing their minds over loss of their handout programs, this **** would come up once...twice a blue moon. This is typical...you and others start threads on this bemoaning how unfair life is that the wealthy people dont give you enough of their money and then piss and moan about how the right obsesses about it.
    The only place we are going to get revenue from is slash entitlement programs or raise taxes, and know which side everybody is on. When is the last time taxes went up? When is the last time a US president didn't run of the deficit?

    It looks to me like the left have been doing a lot more negotiations and agreeing to cut entitlement programs, even this debt ceiling agreement has a lot of cuts. But like Spiker said there is a lot of wasteful spending going on, and none of them have offered a committee to research wasteful, unnecessary spending and cut that out. It's always presented as entitlements vs tax rates.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, we're not. Now perhaps you want to address the issue?
    I did. I told you...stop bringing up people that hid their families wealth to avoid paying taxes...

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