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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    The U.S. isn't in a state of denail over taxes, its in a state of denial over its entitlement programs. They makeup more than half of our current spending and eat up almost every bit of revenue we currently produce (2.009 trillion compared to 2.130 trillion brought in). Our tax revenues would need to increase almost 70% just to sustain our current spending levels.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The U.S. isn't in a state of denail over taxes, its in a state of denial over its entitlement programs. They makeup more than half of our current spending and eat up almost every bit of revenue we currently produce (2.009 trillion compared to 2.130 trillion brought in). Our tax revenues would need to increase almost 70% just to sustain our current spending levels.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's a huge difference between talking about taxes in general, and focusin on the income tax to the exclusion of all other taxes. This obsession demonstrates its' existence by rearing its head in EVERY thread about taxes, even when income taxes are not the focus of the thread.
    Horse****...if it wasnt for democrats pandering to their base and liberals losing their minds over loss of their handout programs, this **** would come up once...twice a blue moon. This is typical...you and others start threads on this bemoaning how unfair life is that the wealthy people dont give you enough of their money and then piss and moan about how the right obsesses about it.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm not Chilean, French, Swedish, Germanic, English - I'm none of these. I've never been to their countries, lived there - even engaged in conversation from someone who is from any of these places.

    So why should their approach to keeping a country affect my views on how our country should function?

    These types of discussions reveal very interesting facts - but they don't equate to my life, my expenses, our society and how we live.
    The point of this thread is to compare tax rates, nobody is arguing the government needs to function the same way as those countries or spend money the same way. I think the point is USA pays low taxes, but many of those other countries aren't dealing with the same problems like losing jobs to China, and yet we are told our tax rates are too high and need to be lowered to save our jobs. It doesn't sound right.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Most companies don't actually pay that tax rate because of all the deductions and the loopholes. Many companies in the US actually pay no income taxes, because the tax code is that generous.
    That's absurd. The vast majority of the reasons any corporation might pay no U.S. federal corporate income tax are:

    1. They had losses which meet or exceed their earnings.
    2. They were engaged in foreign business and paid as much or more than the federal rate, in the country they are doing business, as per U.S. treaty agreements.

    It makes no sense to say you want to spend a lot of time finding way to tax people who lost money, or who already paid in the nation they are doing business.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The point of this thread is to compare tax rates, nobody is arguing the government needs to function the same way as those countries or spend money the same way. I think the point is USA pays low taxes, but many of those other countries aren't dealing with the same problems like losing jobs to China, and yet we are told our tax rates are too high and need to be lowered to save our jobs. It doesn't sound right.
    But you CANT compare tax rates. Its not even logical. We dont have the same expenditures, the same costs, and certainly not the same ideals. What does that tax rate look like when you add in State taxes? local? property?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well: look ot them for what? The believe that if we just *raise* our taxes then we'd be better off?

    It's not how muc hwe tax - it's what we do with it, what we value as a society, what our goals are - and so many other things that matter.
    LOL... obviously low taxes or high taxes isn't simply the solution to the problems you are complaining about, and that was made clear several pages ago. On the other hand, I think it's just good to know where your country stands in certain categories, how it preforms in comparison to the rest of the world, and try to constantly improve. I tend to embrace knowledge especially about the world and my nation's progress and performance in the world, I guess you don't...

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The country was never set up to be a "Government cares for your every need" situation. FDR, and later LBJ moved us very much in that direction. It's of little shock that the failure of those programs is now coming to a head causing the situation we are in.
    I don't need the government to care for my every need, but I expect my government to place me in high regard and of importance. I expect them to care about me, and they should, because they are supposed to represent me. Before we'd vote people out who yelled in town hall meetings at the citizens, "the government doesn't care about you," and now we see people like you clapping at that ****, and you think that makes you freer or something. Having your government tell you they don't give a **** about you is not acceptable.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Sangha,

    Why did you post a graph that exlcludes entitelements spending, when Zyph was specifically contrasting that to defense spending? Are you being intentionally dishonest?

    Wiki is more honest, hopefully people would go wiki it for themselves.

    And amusingly your graph of military spending looks wonderful compared to the *other* problems we have with our budget!

    United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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