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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Your last two posts contradict each other in an obvious way.
    How so? Obama's recovery expense it dwarfed by the wars expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Cutting payments to doctors cuts benefits to seniors. That's been well documented in this thread.
    Thanks for your opinion.

    "The government is overpaying private insurance companies. Part of the recent rise in Medicare costs – and in premiums for seniors – stems from extra subsidies to private insurance companies. Medicare Advantage is part of the Medicare program that allows beneficiaries to receive services via private plans. Policy changes, particularly in 2003, ratcheted up payment levels to private plans. The federal government pays private insurance companies on average 14 percent more for providing coverage to Medicare Advantage beneficiaries than it would pay for the same beneficiary in the traditional Medicare program. This overpayment is as high as 20 percent in certain parts of the country.1

    The overpayments do not necessarily improve quality. There is no evidence that this extra payment leads to better quality for Medicare beneficiaries.2 Insurers, not seniors or the Medicare program, determine how these overpayments are used – and this includes marketing, profits, and other administraive costs.3 This means that seniors do not always get the full overpayments back in the form of extra benefits or improved quality care. In fact, because Medicare Advantage plans have flexibility to determine their own cost-sharing arrangements, seniors can end up spending more out-of-pocket under a Medicare Advantage plan, not less.4,5
    Private plans contend that low-income and minority Medicare beneficiaries disproportionately rely on Medicare Advantage for benefits and that eliminating the overpayments would hurt them. In fact, most low-income, minority seniors obtain additional coverage through Medicaid, not Medicare Advantage. These “dual eligible” beneficiaries receive cost-sharing protection and extra benefits through the Medicaid program.

    All seniors in Medicare subsidize private insurance companies. Overpayments to Medicare Advantage plans are a burden for all of America’s seniors. All Medicare beneficiaries pay the price of these excessive overpayments through higher premiums – even the 78 percent of seniors who are not enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan.7 In fact, these subsidies will add $3.60 per month to premiums for all Medicare beneficiaries in 2010.8 This means that a typical couple in traditional Medicare will pay on average nearly $90 more next year to subsidize private insurance companies that do not provide their Medicare benefits."
    http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/...e/medicare.pdf
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    healthreform.gov...

    LOL!

    what a whitehouse whore

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you would study up on the issue you would not be so astonished. The US produces more oil than either Norway or Canada. The problem is that we consume 25% of the oil on the planet.

    Top 20 Oil-Producing Countries
    And the US is no piker when it comes to tapping its' natural resources
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Don't let sangha see your little chart. He still claims that the health care bill didn't cut Medicare.
    That was a dishonest claim. I said it didn't cut benefits for seniors. If you think I said what you claim I said, the quote the post where I said that.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It did not cut benefits, it cut waste in the program. I thought that is what we wanted? I much prefer that to cutting benefits to seniors that the GOP has proposed.
    The rightwingers were against govt spending and waste before they were for it
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Cutting payments to doctors cuts benefits to seniors. That's been well documented in this thread.
    No it has not been documented. It has only been claimed
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    one would rather hope that they would be less so



    really. is that why the poor in America are comparable to the middle class in Europe?
    Where do you come up with that statement? Sorry, but you do not see abject poverty in Europe as you see it here. Perhaps you meant to suggest that the middle class of America is comparable to the poor of Europe?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    There is if you want to cash in any of the $2.6T in SSTF IOUs.
    The money to make good on those IOUs can only come from the general fund or borrowing; either will increase the deficit.
    Obviously you never took accounting.... sorry, but prior deficits were funded by funds from the social security trust fund. The creation of the liability to the social security trust fund is already accounted for in previous deficits. Paying back the social security trust fund is actually an act of paying down the debt. Should they have to borrow to pay down that debt, the just moves it from one liability account to another with no impact to the deficit. Paying back the SS trust fund does not impact the deficit.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the US is no piker when it comes to tapping its' natural resources
    actually we are very stupid when it comes to not tapping our own natural resources. the entire west coast and most of the east is off-limits to drilling, we over regulate and delay to discourage development of what is open to drilling, and we aren't doing nearly enough to encourage fracking. The US has more oil in the Rocky Mountains alone than Saudi Arabia has.

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