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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    of course not

    LOL!

    they stop taking em on instead

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isn’t Easy - NYTimes.com

    think much?
    You think that's only an issue with Medicare? What planet are you living on? My wife has had to change doctors constantly as her employer(s) switch to different insurance plans because her current doctor isn't enrolled with this insurer or that.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Theoretically at least, Social Security and Unemployment are paid by citizens. SS was created as a failsafe following the depression. We see what has happened since...rather than being seen as a failsafe it is now viewed by many as their sole source of retirement income. Until recently there hasnt been a serious push for Universal health care. I think the message of the founding fathers was clear...federal involvement only where necessary and social programs for those truly incapable of providing for themselves.
    What business is it of yours how people veiw "thier" money? Do you view SS as a social program? is that the message you are trying to send that people like me who paid into SS all of thier working lives should be ashamed to collect SS benefits.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Does anyone think that it's bad to have low taxes by OECD standards? If so, maybe they're the ones who are in denial.
    Median household income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rank↓ Country↓ 2007[4]↓
    1 Luxembourg 34,407
    2 United States 31,111
    3 Norway 31,011
    4 Iceland 28,166
    5 Australia 26,915
    6 Switzerland 26,844
    7 Canada 25,363
    8 United Kingdom 25,168
    9 Ireland 24,677
    10 Austria 24,114
    11 Netherlands 24,024
    12 Sweden 22,889
    13 Denmark 22,461
    14 Belgium 21,532
    15 Germany 21,241
    16 Finland 20,875
    17 New Zealand 20,679
    18 France 19,615
    19 Japan 19,432
    20 South Korea 19,179
    21 Slovenia 18,860
    22 Spain 18,391
    23 Italy 16,866
    24 Greece 15,758
    25 Israel 14,055
    26 Czech Republic 12,596
    27 Portugal 12,515
    28 Estonia 9,836
    29 Poland 9,113
    30 Slovak Republic 9,071
    31 Hungary 8,531
    32 Chile 7,851
    33 Turkey 5,940
    34 Mexico 4,689
    — OECD 19,229
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does anyone think that it's bad to have low taxes by OECD standards? If so, maybe they're the ones who are in denial.
    Median household income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rank↓ Country↓ 2007[4]↓
    1 Luxembourg 34,407
    2 United States 31,111
    3 Norway 31,011
    4 Iceland 28,166
    5 Australia 26,915
    6 Switzerland 26,844
    7 Canada 25,363
    8 United Kingdom 25,168
    9 Ireland 24,677
    10 Austria 24,114
    11 Netherlands 24,024
    12 Sweden 22,889
    13 Denmark 22,461
    14 Belgium 21,532
    15 Germany 21,241
    16 Finland 20,875
    17 New Zealand 20,679
    18 France 19,615
    19 Japan 19,432
    20 South Korea 19,179
    21 Slovenia 18,860
    22 Spain 18,391
    23 Italy 16,866
    24 Greece 15,758
    25 Israel 14,055
    26 Czech Republic 12,596
    27 Portugal 12,515
    28 Estonia 9,836
    29 Poland 9,113
    30 Slovak Republic 9,071
    31 Hungary 8,531
    32 Chile 7,851
    33 Turkey 5,940
    34 Mexico 4,689
    — OECD 19,229
    Good or bad is not the issue. The issue is the claim that the US is a high tax nation and that if we raise taxes, businesses will move to other nations where the taxes are lower
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does anyone think that it's bad to have low taxes by OECD standards?
    It rather depends on what they get for their money, doesn't it? It's sort of like saying, $25,000 is too much to pay for a car, without specifying what the car is.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You think that's only an issue with Medicare? What planet are you living on? My wife has had to change doctors constantly as her employer(s) switch to different insurance plans because her current doctor isn't enrolled with this insurer or that.
    There's a subdebate going on as to whether or not the cuts to medicare affect medicare patients or just health care providers.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It rather depends on what they get for their money, doesn't it? It's sort of like saying, $25,000 is too much to pay for a car, without specifying what the car is.
    You lost me. Please paraphrase. Thank you.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You lost me. Please paraphrase. Thank you.
    You asked
    Does anyone think that it's bad to have low taxes by OECD standards?
    so you were told "It depends on what they get for their money"

    You can't know if they're paying too much without looking at what they get for the money
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    My wife has had to change doctors constantly as her employer(s) switch to different insurance plans because her current doctor isn't enrolled with this insurer or that.
    i understand, and i'm sorry, give her my best

    i hope she at least was able TO FIND one

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isnít Easy - NYTimes.com

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You lost me. Please paraphrase. Thank you.
    I thought I was pretty clear, but okay. You are pointing at one side of the equation (taxes) and saying, "isn't that awfule!" But you aren't saying anything about the other side of the equation (services, such as health care, education, infrastructure, retirement, etc.).

    So, for example, you could say, "my Lord, I'm paying $20,000/yr. in taxes -- isn't that awful!" But if those taxes go to providing health care, allowing you to do without a $14k/yr. insurance plan, and public transportation, allowing you to do without $6,000 in car payments, and good schools, allowing you to do without a $25k/yr. private school tuition ... it's actually a pretty good deal.

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