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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the funny thing is, you're right, but I don't think you realize why
    The truly funny thing is your unwillingness to explain
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they will do the latter. because when you lower the reimbursement of the procedure to less than the cost of performing it (which is, again, what the Medicare Actuaries say it will do), then you give providers the option between closing up shop now and finding something else to do, or closing up shop later, deep in debt, and then trying to find something else to do.
    No doctor has ever gone into debt because they treated medicare patients.


    it's sort of like if I forced you into a system where I was supposed to provide the money for all your meals; but then I sent you to Outback and said you were only allowed to spend $1.50 a meal. You're not going to eat, but I can still insist that I am providing for you.
    No, it's nothing like that. Medicare more than covers the costs of care that it provides to its' beneficiaries
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm going to piss off a bunch of libs with this, but you can't argue with the numbers.

    The GDP is $14.5 trillion dollars. Federal Tax Revenue is $2.2 trillion or about 15% of GDP. Yipee, we are under taxed...let's raise taxes!!! Not so fast my friend.

    Of the $14.5 trillion GDP, about $3.8 trillion is Federal spending. That spending is tax free, so what are we left with? A GDP of about $10.7 trillion. So that means we are taxed at 21% of GDP...Yipee, we are under taxed...let's raise taxes!!! Not so fast my friend.

    Federal spending and taxes are only half the story. When you factor in state and local spending ($2.4 trillion) and state and local taxes ($2.3 trillion) you end up with a private sector GDP (the part that is taxed) of $8.3 trillion and a total tax revenue of $4.5 trillion, so our real tax rate is 54% of total private economic activity.

    That means we are 6% higher in taxes than the highest taxed economy in the world.
    You're wrong because the other nations GDP and taxes are computed the same way. Their govt spending is counted just as much as our is. Their regional and local taxes are counted just as much as ours are.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's cheaper to force everyone to drive the same, cheap car too. The point is, freedom is better than your cheap car.
    Every major developed nation has a socialized medical system and they all produce better outcomes than the US does. IOW, it's not the "same, cheap car". It's the "same, better and less expensive car"

    But the rightwingers like that our govt and our citizens pay more for less.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is that after accounting for all the other factors like you did with the US? Do you have a link?
    No, he did it only for the US, and not for any other nation.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I honestly don't know how they figured their taxes. I doubt they have nearly as many local governments as we do, but it would be interesting to factor that into their figures as well. Maybe someone can find them?

    If you want the numbers I used, try governmentspending.com and governmentrevenue.com
    It has nothing to do with what they did. Whatever they did, they did it for ALL nations.

    Its about what YOU did and how you played with the #s for the US while not doing the same for the other nations.

    And of course they have regional and local govts. You should learn what you're talking about before you start talking about it. It makes your arguments look foolish

    And those two websites cover the US. You're still trying to apply your calculations to only the US while not doing the same for the other nations. It's called "lying with statistics"

    Lying With Statistics
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    They don't want freedom, they want a security blanket.
    Rightwingers don't want lower govt spending and effecient medical care; They want higher corporate profits and the destruction of the middle class
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I would like the freedom to pay half as much for the same quality of care.
    I would like to have the freedom to pay half as much for the same quality car, or house, or whatever. It turns out I already have that freedom, and people have the freedom to charge whatever they want when they're selling a car or providing health care.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No doctor has ever gone into debt because they treated medicare patients
    of course not

    LOL!

    they stop taking em on instead

    Finding a Doctor Who Accepts Medicare Isnít Easy - NYTimes.com

    think much?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rightwingers don't want lower govt spending and effecient medical care; They want higher corporate profits and the destruction of the middle class
    hang em!

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    nothing but your unsubstantiated claims
    LOL!

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