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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More unsubstantiated BS from the rightwing. Under the law, there are no cuts to the benfits seniors receive under Medicare. And doctors would continue seeing Medicare patients or go out of business for lack of paying customers
    they will do the latter. because when you lower the reimbursement of the procedure to less than the cost of performing it (which is, again, what the Medicare Actuaries say it will do), then you give providers the option between closing up shop now and finding something else to do, or closing up shop later, deep in debt, and then trying to find something else to do.


    it's sort of like if I forced you into a system where I was supposed to provide the money for all your meals; but then I sent you to Outback and said you were only allowed to spend $1.50 a meal. You're not going to eat, but I can still insist that I am providing for you.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not everything (that's just one of the rights many straw men) but we should definitely apply that to a lot more. We can start with a single payer, universal health care system which costs less than the system we have now
    We don't want your single payer insurance. Do you understand that?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    I'm going to piss off a bunch of libs with this, but you can't argue with the numbers.

    The GDP is $14.5 trillion dollars. Federal Tax Revenue is $2.2 trillion or about 15% of GDP. Yipee, we are under taxed...let's raise taxes!!! Not so fast my friend.

    Of the $14.5 trillion GDP, about $3.8 trillion is Federal spending. That spending is tax free, so what are we left with? A GDP of about $10.7 trillion. So that means we are taxed at 21% of GDP...Yipee, we are under taxed...let's raise taxes!!! Not so fast my friend.

    Federal spending and taxes are only half the story. When you factor in state and local spending ($2.4 trillion) and state and local taxes ($2.3 trillion) you end up with a private sector GDP (the part that is taxed) of $8.3 trillion and a total tax revenue of $4.5 trillion, so our real tax rate is 54% of total private economic activity.

    That means we are 6% higher in taxes than the highest taxed economy in the world.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Meanwhile, the real world has proven that socialized medicine is cheaper than what we have now,
    It's cheaper to force everyone to drive the same, cheap car too. The point is, freedom is better than your cheap car.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    That means we are 6% higher in taxes than the highest taxed economy in the world.
    Is that after accounting for all the other factors like you did with the US? Do you have a link?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's cheaper to force everyone to drive the same, cheap car too. The point is, freedom is better than your cheap car.
    I would like the freedom to pay half as much for the same quality of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is that after accounting for all the other factors like you did with the US? Do you have a link?
    I honestly don't know how they figured their taxes. I doubt they have nearly as many local governments as we do, but it would be interesting to factor that into their figures as well. Maybe someone can find them?

    If you want the numbers I used, try governmentspending.com and governmentrevenue.com
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's cheaper to force everyone to drive the same, cheap car too. The point is, freedom is better than your cheap car.
    They don't want freedom, they want a security blanket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it won't lower taxes - it does risk lowering revenue. It will also lower growth and increase unemployment.
    Yes, I remember how the bush* tax cuts increased eco growth and decreased unemployment. That's why the bush* years led to such a great economy and so much employment
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes, but they do this under the pressure of the AMA; which is functionally a guild.
    As far as I know, the AMA has nothing to do with it. If you have any proof of this, I'd like to see it, but I doubt I ever will.

    if we were to replace our accreditation method to allow medical personnel to take a test (like lawyers take the bar), we could go far to reducing their power.
    Thinking that a potential surgeons skills can be determined with a written test is delusional
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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