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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    how so????
    By reducing the costs that doctors incur
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So let's make medical school free in return for reduced pay. Problem solved!!
    Wow, why hasn't that been thought of before. No doubt we could apply that to a lot more, maybe everything.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    how so????
    You're arguing that doctors have to charge so much because medical school is so expensive (btw, it's a lot more than $50k/yr!). QED, if doctors don't have to pay for medical school then they can charge less. There is, of course, a precedent for this: the VA system.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unfortunately that is also the case. We really have the worst of all possible worlds. Generally the insured has little or no bargaining power vis-a-vis the insurance company (because you take whatever your employer is offering -- if you're lucky), but the insurance company doesn't have all that much bargaining power relative to providers, because the provider can just go to another network. As a result, the insurance company puts the screws to its insured, and the doctors/hospitals put the screws to the insurance company. But that's okay, because the insurance company can just jack up its rates! In the end it's the health care consumer who pays through the nose.
    They can't be paying too much and not enough at the same time.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    By reducing the costs that doctors incur
    but isn't that cost merely passed along to the taxpayer, and aren't you trying to reduce the cost of health care?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But I have to admit, I am amused to see a rightwinger argue for more govt spending on Medicare
    Who did that?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    They can't be paying too much and not enough at the same time.
    Oh they can, and they DO! They try to stiff the insured, but if they can't, then they overpay the providers.

    Tort reform is a case in point. The argument goes that lawsuits drive up the cost of medical care because they force doctors to pay high insurance rates and over-treat to avoid litigation. Makes sense, right? So limiting malpractice liability should lower medical costs. Problem is, better than half the states have enacted tort reform and it doesn't seem to have lowered medical costs at all! Why not. Well, it looks like what's happening is that malpractice insurance premiums are indeed dropping ... but that savings isn't being passed on to health care consumers! Can you believe it? The doctors are making more money and the insurance companies are making more money, but you and I are still holding the bag.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's now. But soon, a larger portion of the population will be over 65. That's why the republicans are pushing their health care plan (ie "Die Quickly!")
    Ahh, so you believe the senior population is going to increase by 160 million in the next few years, while the number under 65 drops the same amount..... how's life in lala land ??

    I see you are a fan of the EX one-term congressman Alan Grayson............why am I not surprised.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Wow, why hasn't that been thought of before. No doubt we could apply that to a lot more, maybe everything.
    Not everything (that's just one of the rights many straw men) but we should definitely apply that to a lot more. We can start with a single payer, universal health care system which costs less than the system we have now
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    They can't be paying too much and not enough at the same time.
    So why are you arguing that they are paying too much, but not paying at all won't affect their profits?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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