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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So let's make medical school free in return for reduced pay. Problem solved!!
    Will that cut the cost of health care?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Will that cut the cost of health care?
    Never mind the fact that is impossible to make school, medical or otherwise, free.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's at the heart of this topic. You state that cutting Medicare reimbursements will result in fewer doctors willing to see Medicare patients. Why would they do that? Because they can make more money seeing patients with private insurance. So is the problem that Medicare is paying too little, or is it that private insurers are paying too much? I would argue that it's the latter.
    IIRC, Medicare payments to doctors were only high enough for the doctors to break even, so it was charity work before the cuts. With the cuts, doctors have to pay to treat Medicare patients.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I hope you aren't one of those people who say that insurance companies are greedy and refuse to pay.
    We hoped that you wouldn't express your desire to ignore facts, but we don't always get what we want.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I hope you aren't one of those people who say that insurance companies are greedy and refuse to pay.
    Unfortunately that is also the case. We really have the worst of all possible worlds. Generally the insured has little or no bargaining power vis-a-vis the insurance company (because you take whatever your employer is offering -- if you're lucky), but the insurance company doesn't have all that much bargaining power relative to providers, because the provider can just go to another network. As a result, the insurance company puts the screws to its insured, and the doctors/hospitals put the screws to the insurance company. But that's okay, because the insurance company can just jack up its rates! In the end it's the health care consumer who pays through the nose.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Will that cut the cost of health care?
    Yes, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Never mind the fact that is impossible to make school, medical or otherwise, free.
    It is possible

    Tuition-Free Colleges - BusinessWeek
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it will.
    how so????
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    IIRC, Medicare payments to doctors were only high enough for the doctors to break even, so it was charity work before the cuts. With the cuts, doctors have to pay to treat Medicare patients.
    Because they have to pay off their loans. Make med school free...problem solved

    But I have to admit, I am amused to see a rightwinger argue for more govt spending on Medicare
    Last edited by sangha; 08-03-11 at 01:26 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We hoped that you wouldn't express your desire to ignore facts, but we don't always get what we want.
    Who are you speaking for other than yourself?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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