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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Far from being "worthless IOUs," the investments held by the trust funds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government.
    You DO know that the SSTF bonds are not like normal bonds - they are held by the US government and represent nothing more than an accounting entry - right?
    They are guaranteed by nothing more than Congress' promise to square up the accounting. There's NO FF+C issue here because SS did not lend the money to anyone.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More unsubstantiated BS from the rightwing. Under the law, there are no cuts to the benfits seniors receive under Medicare. And doctors would continue seeing Medicare patients or go out of business for lack of paying customers
    Wrong again. It's common knowledge that the Affordable Care Act contains $500 billion in cuts to Medicare.

    No, doctors won't "go out of business", they'll simply start seeing patients that actually pay the going rate for health services. Seniors already have problems finding doctors that will accept their Medicare cards. My mother was advised to see a specialist a few months ago and couldn't find one in the entire city that was accepting new Medicare patients.

    The most legitimate concern about the Affordable Care Act's pay-fors is that some portion of the $220 billion reduction in Medicare productivity payments won't stick. Richard Foster, Medicare's chief actuary, is clearly of this opinion: "While such payment update reductions will create a strong incentive for providers to maximize efficiency," he told the House Budget Committee, "it is doubtful that many will be able to improve their own productivity to the degree achieved by the economy at large." (It's worth noting that his testimony singles out this "one category" of savings as unrealistic, suggesting he considers the remaining $300 billion in cuts fairly uncontroversial.)


    Ezra Klein - Will the Medicare cuts in health-care reform stick?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wrong again. It's common knowledge that the Affordable Care Act contains $500 billion in cuts to Medicare.
    All the cuts are to providers. This has already been explained, but the denial of rightwingers prevent them from acknowledging facts.

    No, doctors won't "go out of business", they'll simply start seeing patients that actually pay the going rate for health services. Seniors already have problems finding doctors that will accept their Medicare cards. My mother was advised to see a specialist a few months ago and couldn't find one in the entire city that was accepting new Medicare patients.
    If they don't see Medicare patients, they will go out business as the population ages because there wont be enough non-medicare patients with insurance.

    And I don't believe your anecdotes. They are unadulturated BS fictions.


    It's funny to see a rightwinger argue for MORE GOVT SPENDING on health care. I love it when the rightwingers make our arguments for us without even realizing it
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...."
    Yes. And?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post



    If they don't see Medicare patients, they will go out business as the population ages because there wont be enough non-medicare patients with insurance.
    Do you actually think before you start posting ???

    Based on this absurd statement, my guess is no.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Dammit, you mean we could have been killing people instead of feeding them and provding them medical care?!
    Thank you for your complete failure to address the point.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Do you actually think before you start posting ???

    Based on this absurd statement, my guess is no.
    And I see you still have no arguments to make, or any facts to back them up with. All you've got is invective and childish insults.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Thank you for your complete failure to address the point.
    It's due your complete failure to make a point.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And I see you still have no arguments to make, or any facts to back them up with. All you've got is invective and childish insults.
    I don't think anyone on this board besides you requires any evidence that there will not be enough people in this country under the age of 65 to keep doctors busy. Unless there is some huge die off of everyone under the age of 65, it is obvious to everyone but you that there will still be hundreds of millions of people requiring healthcare. And because of the Obama healthcare reform boondoggle, each and every one will have health insurance.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    The truth is that doctors are overpaid in this country relative to what doctors make everywhere else. That is one of the realities we need to face if we're ever going to get medical costs under control.

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