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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Many far right conservatives in this country today feel the US was a socialist nation for the half century period when our tax system was more progressive.
    So now you speak for so called "far right conservatives"?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
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    The jobs left when the Libbos took over the government. Remember the 5% unemployment rate, back when we had a government that understood that it couldn't create jobs?
    Please tell me you didn't post that? Please tell me your memory isn't that short? (Re: Unemployment rate from October 2008 per NYTimes.com)
    October 2008 is 22 months after the "libbos" took over the government.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Feel free to post data from other sources....
    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Those who are able to read and comprehend what they read and are past the 35th grade now how interpret what they read.
    I still dont see any data in any of your posts
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Wow. Please show me where in the Constitution it is stated that there be in SSI, etc.?
    The relevant test is to point out where the Constitution gives the government the power to create SS, SSI, Medicare, etc.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. it was cuts to providers, which mean that seniors wouldn't get healthcare. according to the Medicare Actuaries; were Obamacare to fully go into effect, huge percentages of providers would simply stop seeing Medicare patients all-together, or go bankrupt.
    More unsubstantiated BS from the rightwing. Under the law, there are no cuts to the benfits seniors receive under Medicare. And doctors would continue seeing Medicare patients or go out of business for lack of paying customers
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The relevant test is to point out where the Constitution gives the government the power to create SS, SSI, Medicare, etc.
    Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...."

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have seen no evidence or that in the last 30 years, all I have seen is different spending priorities. It was the GOP majority vote that created the biggest part of our recent debt, the optional war in Iraq.
    This is just plain silly.
    The INCREASE in entitlement spending from FY2008 to FY2009 exceeds the full cost of the war in Iraq, thus far.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Feel free to post data from other sources....
    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    This is just plain silly.
    The INCREASE in entitlement spending from FY2008 to FY2009 exceeds the full cost of the war in Iraq, thus far.
    I'm guessing that you don't realize that the FY2009 budget was passed under bush*

    I love it when the rightwingers make our argument for us without realizing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    This is just plain silly.
    The INCREASE in entitlement spending from FY2008 to FY2009 exceeds the full cost of the war in Iraq, thus far.
    Dammit, you mean we could have been killing people instead of feeding them and provding them medical care?!

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The surplus is guaranteed though the full failt and credit of the US.
    This doesnt address a thing I said.

    The FICA cap will need to be raised to repay the SS funds for general fund uses so tax cuts could be provided to the wealthy.
    This response indicate a great ignorance of how SS works.
    FICA funds go directly to SS outlays; repayment of the SSTF bonds must come from the general fund, or borrowing.
    FICA revenues cannot be used to repay the SSTF bonds because the revenue represented by the SSTF bunds went into the general fund.

    So, my statement stands:
    The $2.6T SS "surplus" doesn't exist; the SSTF is full of IOUs that will be repaid thru borrowing - thus running up the deficits and adding to the debt.

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