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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm not Chilean, French, Swedish, Germanic, English - I'm none of these. I've never been to their countries, lived there - even engaged in conversation from someone who is from any of these places.

    So why should their approach to keeping a country affect my views on how our country should function?

    These types of discussions reveal very interesting facts - but they don't equate to my life, my expenses, our society and how we live.
    Examining the economic policies of other nations, and seeing the results of those policies, is what reasonable people do.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Examining the economic policies of other nations, and seeing the results of those policies, is what reasonable people do.
    You mean we shouldn't reinvent the wheel every day?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Examining the economic policies of other nations, and seeing the results of those policies, is what reasonable people do.
    So these other countries have it figured out?

    None of these countries have it 'figured out' - in one way or another, to some degree. They've suffered political or social unrest due to social or other policies. They've all had to help others - such as was the united bailout (again and again) of Greece or, like Greece, they've folded and have been bailed out numerous times and still barely are stayed from falling over the edge.

    So - unless some other country in the history of the world has managed to sidestep misery, excess, poorly managed funds and conquered all the issues therein - I fail to see how looking to others will aid us in figuring it all out.

    Not saying it's not interesting - but there are no 'answers' to these issues - everyone, it seems, is trying to figure it out - still.

    If a single country HAD figured out the ideal solution to any one particular problem then all others will enact the same measures and gain the same results. But that's not the case - is it?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So these other countries have it figured out?

    None of these countries have it 'figured out' - in one way or another, to some degree. They've suffered political or social unrest due to social or other policies. They've all had to help others - such as was the united bailout (again and again) of Greece or, like Greece, they've folded and have been bailed out numerous times and still barely are stayed from falling over the edge.

    So - unless some other country in the history of the world has managed to sidestep misery, excess, poorly managed funds and conquered all the issues therein - I fail to see how looking to others will aid us in figuring it all out.

    Not saying it's not interesting - but there are no 'answers' to these issues - everyone, it seems, is trying to figure it out - still.

    If a single country HAD figured out the ideal solution to any one particular problem then all others will enact the same measures and gain the same results. But that's not the case - is it?
    So you think we should make the perfect the enemy of the good?

    Based on our current situation, it is clear that we haven't figured it out either

    Saying that no one has figured it out is no a reason for not even looking at what others have tried and the results their efforts have brought.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you think we should make the perfect the enemy of the good?

    Based on our current situation, it is clear that we haven't figured it out either

    Saying that no one has figured it out is no a reason for not even looking at what others have tried and the results their efforts have brought.
    Well: look ot them for what? The believe that if we just *raise* our taxes then we'd be better off?

    It's not how muc hwe tax - it's what we do with it, what we value as a society, what our goals are - and so many other things that matter.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So these other countries have it figured out?

    None of these countries have it 'figured out' - in one way or another, to some degree. They've suffered political or social unrest due to social or other policies. They've all had to help others - such as was the united bailout (again and again) of Greece or, like Greece, they've folded and have been bailed out numerous times and still barely are stayed from falling over the edge.

    So - unless some other country in the history of the world has managed to sidestep misery, excess, poorly managed funds and conquered all the issues therein - I fail to see how looking to others will aid us in figuring it all out.

    Not saying it's not interesting - but there are no 'answers' to these issues - everyone, it seems, is trying to figure it out - still.

    If a single country HAD figured out the ideal solution to any one particular problem then all others will enact the same measures and gain the same results. But that's not the case - is it?
    Right, I'm not suggesting that we should simply take what another country has done and uncritically try to implement it here. But we should look at other countries have done and evaluate their choices to see what, if anything, might make sense in our circumstances.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well: look ot them for what? The believe that if we just *raise* our taxes then we'd be better off?

    It's not how muc hwe tax - it's what we do with it, what we value as a society, what our goals are - and so many other things that matter.
    For more than one reason

    1) To counter the claim that we are a high tax nation

    2) Because if we don't have enough money, it makes no difference HOW we spend what we don't have

    3) Because looking at these facts does not prevent us from looking at other facts.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    First off, let's make this discussion adult and cease the name calling.

    As for your point, where exactly does it state that the US was never intended to be socialist? That is surprising to me since many of your programs (SS, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, etc.) are, no?
    The country was never set up to be a "Government cares for your every need" situation. FDR, and later LBJ moved us very much in that direction. It's of little shock that the failure of those programs is now coming to a head causing the situation we are in.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The country was never set up to be a "Government cares for your every need" situation. FDR, and later LBJ moved us very much in that direction. It's of little shock that the failure of those programs is now coming to a head causing the situation we are in.
    Another straw man.

    Why do the rightwingers always think in extremes?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Another straw man.

    Why do the rightwingers always think in extremes?
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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