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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You cant be serious...you cant differentiate between personal tax cuts and corporate....personal tax cuts go to lawyers and doctors and CEOs and accountants and any one else thats in a top tier bracket
    What about the earned income credit? Doctors, lawyers and CEO's don't qualify for that. The people that do qualify for the ETC, get a nice fat refund check every year from the government.

    A small business operator can't qualify for any of those tax credits. Looks like someone thinks we can differentiate between personal and corporate taxes.


    and they create NOTHING that goes right in their pocket....its a BS story
    They don't pay property taxes and sales taxes?


    ...if you want to create jobs cutting taxs...then you cut tax for Companies only if they actually create jobs...then they get a tax cut...
    Out here in the real world, a company isn't going to spend $30,000+ just to save a few thousand on their 1040. That would be stupid.


    bush tax cuts personal tax cuts to the richest americans and corporations and it didnt create a job....it lined pockets
    1) All tax brackets saw a tax cut

    2) Bush's unemployment rate was half what Obama's is.

    3) Raising taxes isn't going to create a damn thing.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nope, fiscal conservatism is about more than just spending. It includes the other side of the ledger, revenues. And since Carter, the dems have been more fiscally conservative than the repubs have been

    And the repubs since reagan have increased spending faster than the dems have
    I love this. thanks for enlightening the "TP Patriots". Does the GOP really beleive that they are fiscally responsible? Remember Iraq, the current cash cow?
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    One of the big disconnects I see is conservatives arguing about high corporate and personal tax rates, while liberals point to low effective tax rates, especially for the wealthy and corporations. Here's an idea: why don't we stop using the tax code as a way to incentivize or reward certain behaviors and start using it as a tool to equitably collect revenue for appropriate government functions? Yes, we'll all fight about what's "appropriate," but let's agree that we need a tax code overhaul that simplifies everything. I hate having to play games with FSAs, IRAs, and whatever other alphabet soup I can to avoid taxes. Let's just let people spend their money how they want, without massive tax implications.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So we shouldn't have expectations for jobs from the tax breaks we give??? That is your argument for throwing seniors under the bus to protect tax breaks for the rich?
    Who is throwing old folks under the bus?

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nope, fiscal conservatism is about more than just spending. It includes the other side of the ledger, revenues. And since Carter, the dems have been more fiscally conservative than the repubs have been

    And the repubs since reagan have increased spending faster than the dems have
    fiscally conservative = low taxes + low spending

    fiscally liberal = high taxes + high spending

    There are many exceptions, but for the most part, the Republicans are usually more fiscally conservative than Democrats.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It would be interesting to see you blame FDR as much as Bush gets blamed. FICA, payrolls taxes, etc.....all FDR's inventions.
    And items that were and are needed. The GOP had the white house prior to FDR and they didn't do squat, I wish they'd have been in office after that to see how far they'd of gone before they got their heads out of their butts. Bush needs to be blamed for getting us involved in Iraq, that wonderful cash cow Obama inherited. In retrospect, it may have been cheaper to pay for better intelligence instead taking over a worthless piece of crap dictator.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    fiscally conservative = low taxes + low spending
    nope it means responsible spending and responsible taxes.
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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    One of the big disconnects I see is conservatives arguing about high corporate and personal tax rates, while liberals point to low effective tax rates, especially for the wealthy and corporations. Here's an idea: why don't we stop using the tax code as a way to incentivize or reward certain behaviors and start using it as a tool to equitably collect revenue for appropriate government functions? Yes, we'll all fight about what's "appropriate," but let's agree that we need a tax code overhaul that simplifies everything. I hate having to play games with FSAs, IRAs, and whatever other alphabet soup I can to avoid taxes. Let's just let people spend their money how they want, without massive tax implications.
    That would be too much like actual liberty and the Libbos just can't have that. The quickest way to control any given citizenry is through their pocket book. You can tyrranyze a civilization that is totally independent of the government for it's day-to-day neccessities.

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    nope it means responsible spending and responsible taxes.
    responsible spending and responsible taxes = low taxes + low spending

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    Re: U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    responsible spending and responsible taxes = low taxes + low spending
    I agree. But you have to have responsible polititians.
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